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Hey all,

I have a tournament on Nov. 25, and am anticipating ultra gay flier lists.

Example 1:
- 7 necron flier list, Stormlord + unit on the board on turn 1

I currently have no other examples, but fliers are big in my area.

What ideas do you guys have to counter such a list? SL spam? go with the old "mass shots"? I want to try to stay away from allies, as I have no other armies. I also have no forgeworld models, so trying to stay inside our codex (sucks, I know).

Things I have found:

- Fire Prisms are nearly useless now, with all the flyer spam being immune to them.

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well jetbikes en mass how many points are we talking
and what models do you have available
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massed scatter laser war walkers and an aegis defence line with autocannon are about as good as I could come up with... but you're never going to touch 7 enemy fliers.

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the prob with walkers is generally theyll get to shoot first so the walkers would dy
falcons vypers and gjb with eldrad and a farseer
the only reason is that you can follow the flyers around with the jetbikes and vypers
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The thing about Night Scythes is that their guns arent that great Just Str 7. Meaning if you feild units that they have a difficult time damaging then you have basically nullified their army.

A good example are Wraithlords, they get wounded on a 5. With fortune this basically equates to never taking a wound.

Wraithguard are T6 meaning they get wounded on 3's. While worse than a 5 you will end up saving wounds since it isnt a 2+.

Artillery is T7, meaning they would on 4's, again with fortune this should never be a problem.

Bastions are your best bet, AV 14 is untouchable with STR 7, and it comes with a Cannon or Quad. Get someone with Tank hunters to man the gun, and intercept the flyers when they come in, you can basically kill 2-4 per turn depending on what the rest of your army is.

Stormlord is trash don't worry about him

The trick to beating this type of list is to go second, if you win the roll let him go. That way HE cannot last turn contest/capture and you can turn it around on him.

If you give me the points I'll write something up for you that can handle that, and if you can handle Necron Night Sycthe spam you can handle whatever.

The Doom Scythes are what you should be scared of, but again Intercepting them is very effective.

You also want to focus on using Emplaced Guns, these cannot be targeted by themselves (Those are Gun Emplacements, yes they are two different things) until they pop the Bastion or Fortress the Empalced guns will continue to fire.

There are also two ways you can play these games, either handles the flyers 1 at a time just like a normal game or focus on dropping his troops on the table turn 1. Which forces him to auto lose

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The tournament is 1850. Here is what I'm working with. A lot of it is unassembled/unpainted at this point, I just made a large purchase. However, I have 3 days off before the tournament so I plan on assembling everything at the very least.

Farseer, 4 warlocks on foot
Avatar (FW w/ spear - I'm excited to assemble this bad boy)
All Phoenix Lords except Karandras
Autarch on jetbike - unassembled
5 seer council conversions - 2 or 3 with spears

6 Scorpions - exarch
6 fire dragons - exarch
5 wraithguard

20 guardians
20 dire avengers
20 jetbikes
5 pathfinders

11 warp spiders
2 vypers - magnetized

2 fire prisms/nightspinners - magnetized
5 dark reapers
1 warwalker
1 Wraithlord - EML/BL/sword magnetized

Bastion - eldar style - with quad cannon made from a vibrocannon chasis

3 Wave serpents - 2 with BLs, 1 with shur.cannons - I am considering magnetizing this as well, but i can use any weapons on them.

Representation is fine as long as they look like what they should be - aka a Wave Serpent can be a falcon, or Firestorm - where an Avatar cannot be karandras - similar base makes it fine.


I also have some friends who have most other non-FW models - i can get a full unit of 3 warwalkers, another Wraithlord (i think), a falcon, Banshees, Hawks, and some more jetbikes (tho i doubt i'll need them). 5 more pathfinders, etc. another 5 seer council., and 6 more warp spiders.

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The tournament is 1850. Here is what I'm working with. A lot of it is unassembled/unpainted at this point, I just made a large purchase. However, I have 3 days off before the tournament so I plan on assembling everything at the very least.

Farseer, 4 warlocks on foot
Avatar (FW w/ spear - I'm excited to assemble this bad boy)
All Phoenix Lords except Karandras
Autarch on jetbike - unassembled
5 seer council conversions - 2 or 3 with spears

6 Scorpions - exarch
6 fire dragons - exarch
5 wraithguard

20 guardians
20 dire avengers
20 jetbikes
5 pathfinders

11 warp spiders
2 vypers - magnetized

2 fire prisms/nightspinners - magnetized
5 dark reapers
1 warwalker
1 Wraithlord - EML/BL/sword magnetized

Bastion - eldar style - with quad cannon made from a vibrocannon chasis

3 Wave serpents - 2 with BLs, 1 with shur.cannons - I am considering magnetizing this as well, but i can use any weapons on them.

Representation is fine as long as they look like what they should be - aka a Wave Serpent can be a falcon, or Firestorm - where an Avatar cannot be karandras - similar base makes it fine.


I also have some friends who have most other non-FW models - i can get a full unit of 3 warwalkers, another Wraithlord (i think), a falcon, Banshees, Hawks, and some more jetbikes (tho i doubt i'll need them). 5 more pathfinders, etc. another 5 seer council., and 6 more warp spiders.
Can you get Tau? Specifically 3 Broadsides and 3-4 Suits?

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Get dedicated to killing his lone unit before they hit the board.

My favourite is to take a Communion GK/IG Officer of the Fleet ally to hamper enemy reserve rolls. Then, as much as possible that is capable of moving forward and unloading literally everything into wiping out his stormlord and his unit first.



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Get dedicated to killing his lone unit before they hit the board.

My favourite is to take a Communion GK/IG Officer of the Fleet ally to hamper enemy reserve rolls. Then, as much as possible that is capable of moving forward and unloading literally everything into wiping out his stormlord and his unit first.
That's so dirty, must be nice to play IG/Gk

/sigh Eldar

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"Dirty", ragewind? No. But it is simply hampering his effectiveness through the use of allies. I know he is said he isn't a fan, but really, 15 guard models is hard or expensive with a week to go. Or an Inquisitor and 5 GK.

I'd personally love to see the Autarch give enemies -1 to reserves, but it doesn't.

Although you can go "all eldar" and forego the -1 to reserves, it does make it a bit harder for you. As others have said, there is no playing nice with a 7 flyer army.



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