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new list as result of my first battle

i just had my first battle and it seems it din't workout so well.
we were doing last stand (the one who lost his models the fastest lost) and i lost,...... horrebly.

my friend had:
10 tactical marines
1 rino with storm bolter, no transport.
1 preditor with heavy bolters i think and a lascanon
5 terminator's with power fist
2 bikers and a sqoud bike, not sure about the load-out
1 named character with jetpack and could give the whole army the fearless rule
1 chaplain with terminator armor and 3 wounds

let me just say what was good and what failed.

great unclean one, went down in first turn after soaking upp 3/4 of the fire power
herald of tzeentch, dit noting at all and died

3 flamers, deep struk scatterd and got a stunned preditor that wasn't going to move any way and a killed biker, then died.
3 flamers, stuned a preditor and died.
3 flamers , mishapend and died.

8 bloodletters, got reapid fired to 2 bloodletters and these 2 bloodletters took 5 tactial marines with them before they died.( one died because of fearless)
8 bloodletters got shot by stormbolters and got charged, killed 5 terminators before they where killed.
9 plaque barrers got stuck with terminators for one turn and died.

with this i set up another list:
great unclean one- 160 pts
herald of tzeentch- we are legion, master of sorcery, bolt of tzeentch- 95
flamers of tzeentch- 105

10 pink horrors- bolt of tzeentch and changeling- 185+ herald
12 bloodletters- 192
12 bloodletters- 192
6 plaquebarrers- 90
that makes 999pts

what do you think?

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i think that ure friend list is crappy one.. so u can use all u want ;)

..everithing is good.. in hive fleet stomach..
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for 1k point drop great demon.. too many points..
flamers of tzeentch are good vs marines, use bloodletters and drop some points from horrors ;)

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i think that ure friend list is crappy one.. so u can use all u want ;)
If i could use all i want i would't have lost!

Also the flamers did practily nothing so that was bad and without the unclean one i probbebly would get tabled on turn one! I don't put to many flamer as they sucked for his list bu t do flamers penetrate on 5+? I don't know for sure and said that higher then 4always gleanses.

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You should never doubt flamers. In a 1.5K game I took out 9/10 men of a tactical squad and another 9/10 using soul grinder.

Advice that I would suggest against Space Marines: I personally don't find Nurgle units do enough against them, I would add more Bloodletters or Pink Horrors. If you've a daemon prince or soul grinder (or even better 2!) then I'd these. Soul Grinders large blast will rip space marines units to pieces. Bloodcrushers are good if you have them too.

Just a couple a ideas for you, don't know what models you have at your disposal so hopefully you can get an idea.

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Also Flamers get a glancing against vehicles on a 4+

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Also Flamers get a glancing against vehicles on a 4+
So no penetraiting?

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You shouldn't be shooting vehicles with flamers anyway unless there is nothing else to shoot with them. Also I try to Deepstrike my bloodletters behind something that will give me cover for the first turn so I at least have the opportunity to get the charge. I also as stated in almost every post I have made here thus far.. play Daemonettes almost every list. They always perform really well for me. I also would split the horrors into two five man squads with a bolt each. 12 shots and a bolt each is pretty decent chances of wrecking stuff. I would also suggest possibly continuing to try the 8 bloodletter squads and work on keeping them covered and/or out of combat until you can get the charge. If you get the charge with 12 dudes, you're going to be standing there with your Johnny in your hand after you destroy whatever you charged, and probably get shot from hell to breakfast.

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You shouldn't be shooting vehicles with flamers anyway unless there is nothing else to shoot with them. Also I try to Deepstrike my bloodletters behind something that will give me cover for the first turn so I at least have the opportunity to get the charge. I also as stated in almost every post I have made here thus far.. play Daemonettes almost every list. They always perform really well for me. I also would split the horrors into two five man squads with a bolt each. 12 shots and a bolt each is pretty decent chances of wrecking stuff. I would also suggest possibly continuing to try the 8 bloodletter squads and work on keeping them covered and/or out of combat until you can get the charge. If you get the charge with 12 dudes, you're going to be standing there with your Johnny in your hand after you destroy whatever you charged, and probably get shot from hell
I've heard that deamonnetses suck but you quite convinced me. I mainly lost the game because i was to afraid to deepstrike near impossible terrain.(i tried it anyway and my flamers died, however i did not realised what cover can do for a deamon army, but it was al lost when his preditor and rino where still standing while my great unclean one and my herald where shot back to the realm of chaos, tough i will follow all the adivice and will use deamonnettes, drop the greater deamon, and use a deamon prince.

Ps: i forgot to say he also had a dread nought with twinlinked laskannons and close combatfist, also what load-out do you guys have in mind for the prince?

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