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Default Helsreach fluff or not?

Ok so I finally bought Helsreach yesterday and so far I love what I am reading. But my question is do I hold it up to "fluff" of 40k or just look at it as a authors work of fiction?

So I am growing my enemy.....so what I gotta kill something.


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I believe all novels in Black Library count as official fluff, and unfortunately this means that CS Goto's work does as well, unless I'm mistaken.

So yeah, Helsreach does count as fluff.
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The author of Helsreach about Canon and 40k.

I got it wrong myself, right up until I was in a meeting with the company’s Intellectual Property Manager – a situation I find myself in several times a year, as part of the Horus Heresy novel series team. When I was specifically asking about canon, he replied with something I’ve tried to take to heart: “It’s all real, and one of it’s real.”
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I think this is the key quote:

"In short, the belief is usually that the design studio has precedence, and everything else isn’t canon. That’s actually wrong, but several aspects reinforce the misjudgement, not least that a few top brass quotes have been poorly phrased or taken out of context; some novelists wildly diverging from the source material for reasons apparent to no one but themselves; and the fact that the design studio has 30 years of history where it was essentially the sole source of canon. Its products are the foundation for the whole license – it’s the source, the core, the chewy nougat centre at the heart of it all. With the weight of history and its place as by far the most widespread, its published lore reaches the most eyes and ears."
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Also, and here is the real decider whether it's fluff or not, ALL the Space Marine Battles books are based on events already covered- they merely flesh them out rather than create them entirely from scratch.
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Good point, Baron!
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Yes, Helsreach does follow the guidelines of traditionally accepted fluff on the 3rd battle for Armageddon. However, it increases and expands upon the characters involved and creates a very tight, engaging narrative that touches on, in my opinion the almost autistic nature of the Black Templar's and Astartes in general. a very interesting theme.

for the record, i hate it when someone asks if a book "follows the fluff" or not. One wonders why you would even ask that question in the first place. There's a much tighter reign on the current authors in terms of continuity these days. And we no longer have to put up with the Goto-esque nature of canon-fucking. Seriously, give them some credit, they're NYT bestsellers some of them...


edit: and i've taken the liberty of correcting the title of your thread as well as the way you've spelled it within your opening post. If you're going to discuss a book, at least make sure you know how to spell it's title...

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