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Just finished Nemesis. One of the better HH books (A Thousand Sons is still my favourite). Spear was awesome... not someone you would like to meet on a dark night.
The assassins were, in my opinion, crap! They just did not get it together and failed in their mission. What a basic mistake... waiting for Horus to arrive and announce himself to the planets citizens. Takes off helmet... BLAM! .
Incredible... arn't you supposed to aquire/ confirm target first? They clearly did not. I could see what was happening when Luc Sederie began to remove his helmet, it was obvious to me, so it should have been obvious to the sniper. Horus's mob would have made sure the LZ was clear and secure before they let the boss come down...
A simple error that a group of assassins should not have made!

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Its sort of weird reading a book but knowing that neither of the targets die from these assassination attempts.

However it was quite clear to me that the repurcussions of killing Hours would be alot smaller(in a way) than if the Big E got "speared" so early on in the Heresy.
I dunno, true the Emperor being 'speared' as you so aplty put it would have a much worse fall out than Horus being assassinated, but i still believe that if Horus was killed at that point the Heresy would have failed completely. Yes the battles may rage on for longer, but the Emperor wouldnt have been reduced to the state he is in now, Sanguinius would most probably be alive, i doubt the traitors would have even reached Terra, and if they did the siege would have been broken by the Dark Angels, Ultramarines and Space Wolfs anyway as there would have been no final gambit to lure the Emperor away, he wouldn't risk everything to go kill Abaddon for instance, and even if he did the guy probably would have got owned by Sanguinius anyway.

So yeah, Empeor dying, worse than Horus dying, but would still win them the war i think
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I happen to think that the novel showed us a few things.

First is the possibility that Horus is becoming more paranoid. He did send a captain down first to a planet that was already theirs, after all. Plus the Emperor has had other assassins sent after Horus as shown at the start of the novel. Sure he may have cause to be paranoid, but I think that little bit seemed like it was supposed to show that Horus has started to become paranoid and possibly afraid of his own 'mortality', so to speak, and what his loss would mean to his cause.

Second, that the Emperor's machinations have completely unforeseen ramifications. After all, wasn't it terribly 'convenient' that the assassins just happened to be going to the planet where the item with the Emperor's blood was being held so that they could meet up with Spear and kill him while in the process of prosecuting their assigned mission? It seems like this novel, as well as Thousand Sons, have parts that were specifically designed to show us that the Emperor knows what the hell is going on and what the hell he is doing all the time.

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The Emperor didn't send any assassins after Horus. It was Malcador and the head assassin guys and girls.

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The Emperor didn't send any assassins after Horus. It was Malcador and the head assassin guys and girls.
Yes, because they totally could have done that without at least the Emperor's tacit permission.

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Well he is pretty busy with the webway so yeah they probably could have.
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I dunno but i think the use of assassins made those under Horus more sure of thier cause though!
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I think the fact they they butchered their battle brothers on both Istvaan battles shows they were already pretty dedicated. Plus Luc Sedirae died Erebus kept the fact that there were assassins to himself though I'm sure Horus knew. The rest of the Legion was probably in the dark though.
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Most importantly: Since when did Luc Sedirae have his own Battle Barge?
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Well he wanted to pull over for a Burger king and Horus goes "man i ent pulling over" and gives him his own battlebarge so he can hand out the hate and discontent in the drive through!

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