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post #21 of 30 (permalink) Old 10-25-16, 02:52 PM
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All i can say after reading Praetorian Of Dorn is

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Finished Praetorian today and WOW!! That ending was fantastic and unexpected, and I loved French's depiction of the Alpha Legion and their methods of war. Before this novel I felt that of all the Black Library authors, only Rob Sanders truly understood how the Alpha Legion functioned and waged war, but I am very glad to see that French gets it too. Archamus was a very good leading character, an ideal Fist through and through, and for the first time seeing Dorn from the perspective of somebody close to him rather than somebody who just happens to have been thrown together with him added a lot more depth to the VIIth Primarch.

Best scene for me was the meeting between Alpharius and Dorn in the past when they both discussed their methods of war. It was a great moment that offered pros and cons to both sides of the conflict, Dorn's honest front-line approach vs Alpharius's secretive and manipulative approach. What I liked most was that neither side appeared completely right, both arguments had merits and at times felt right and other times felt wrong. I personally sided with Alpharius as I was reminded of Tywin Lannister's question "Explain to me why it is more noble to kill 10,000 men in battle than a dozen at dinner." Alpharius clearly supports this ideal, while Dorn believes that a billion men dead in honest warfare is better than a hundred men killed by dishonest means. Dorn's argument on the aftermath had a lot of good points, but I felt that ultimately his attitude came off as warmongering and uncaring of lives. There is a difference between disliking dishonest methods of warfare and outright disregarding the value they have, no matter how many casualties the lack of these tactics causes.

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Yeah this book was fucking garbage and I don't consider it as canon. I only got it because I loved French's 'We Are One' which to me is the best literature on the AL. Felt like it was written by a different author.


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Yeah this book was fucking garbage and I don't consider it as canon. I only got it because I loved French's 'We Are One' which to me is the best literature on the AL. Felt like it was written by a different author.
Don't see why you quoted me there unless you wanted me specifically to see this post. If that's the case, then... well fine. Your opinion is your own.


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Whilst overall I enjoyed the book, the AL secret squirrel bullshit reached new heights in it. I think the riddle wrapped in an enigma you mention was missed by most either because they were too bored with it all at that stage, or it was wrapped a little too tight, and went over people's heads.
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Ahh okay! Thank you for clearing that out!

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Whilst overall I enjoyed the book, the AL secret squirrel bullshit reached new heights in it. I think the riddle wrapped in an enigma you mention was missed by most either because they were too bored with it all at that stage, or it was wrapped a little too tight, and went over people's heads.
That's my problem with it, definitely!
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Ahh okay! Thank you for clearing that out!



That's my problem with it, definitely!

I think that was the point of the book actually. Alpharius outsmarted himself by getting too clever for his own good, earning an intimate encounter with Dorn's chainsword for his efforts.
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WITHOUT spoilers, please; has anyone tried 'Obvious Tactics', the graphic novel? I never got a chance to read it when it originally released over fifteen years ago.....
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Just finsihed listen to the audio book.
It's one of the better stories but its fleshed out way to much with tedious descriptive writing which I hate. There is lots to it and it will be interesting to see how the legion plays out now. They were forced to take this route against their will, so now, will they go full retard and back horus 100%? How would the heresy have turned out had Dorn not been as thick as a fortress wall?

And who came first? Negan or Alpharius?

One question that was unanswered, unless I missed it in all that god awful dreary descriptive rubbish, was why did this all happen now? Did alpharius push for it (or more likely manipulated horus in to letting him do it) to turn speak to Dorn? or was Horus trying to achieve something that is yet to be revealed to us?

Thought the final fight was a little cliche. Bad guys kicking arse and then all of a sudden, miraculous turn around. Bleh.
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