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God dammit why do I not have enough spare to be buying Heresy novels right now.
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I want to wait for the softback but who knows when they will be available to the public. I am actually really excited for this after 3 anthologies of republished short stories, they are back with what looks 3 novels (even though one by Gav Thorpe) that may turn it around.
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Also, is there a kind soul who could show the dramatis personae of the novel? I would want to know who is in the novel.
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Looking forward to this. I will be downloading it later.
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Dramatis Personae.

The VII Legion ‘Imperial Fists’

Rogal Dorn, Primarch of the Imperial Fists, Praetorian of Terra
Archamus, Master of the Huscarls, ‘The Last of the First’

Sigismund, Lord Castellan of the First Sphere, First Captain, Marshal of the Templars
Fafnir Rann, Lord Seneschal, Captain of the First Assault Cadre
Boreas, Sergeant, First Company

Halbrecht, Lord Castellan of the Second Sphere, Fleet Master
Effried, Lord Castellan of the Third Sphere, Seneschal
Camba Diaz, Lord Castellan of the Fourth Sphere, Siege Master

Demetrius Katafalque, Captain, 344th Company
Kestros, Sergeant, 65th Squad, 344th Company


The XX Legion ‘Alpha Legion’

Alpharius, Primarch of the Alpha Legion
Ingo Pech, Captain

Mathias Herzog, Captain
Phocron, Headhunter Prime
Kel Silonius, Headhunter
Kalix, Headhunter
Hekaron, Headhunter

Myzmadra, Operative
Ashul, Operative
Incarnus, Aventian progression savant
Sork, Agent, captain of the scavenger vessel Wealth of Kings

Omegon


Imperial Personae

Malcador, Regent of the Imperium

Su-Kassen, Solar Command Staff, former Admiral of the Jovian Fleets
Morhan, Strategos, 56th Veletaris Tercio, Second Solar Auxilia Cohort (the ‘Saturnyne Rams’)

Chayo, Magos, Primary Voice on the Unbreakable Truth
Armina Fel, Astropath-adjutant to Rogal Dorn

Heliosa-78, Cult Matriarch of the Selenar
Andromeda-17, Personified-scion of the Selenar
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A question on something mentioned in the book. I'll spoiler it just in case.

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Who knows. In Angels of Caliban, Curze says that the one who kills him hasn't even been born yet. However, in Nemesis, the master of the Callidus temple asks to dispatch M'Shen to assassinate Horus. Continuity mistakes for everyone! Still can't fuck up as much as Mcneill did in the Outcast Dead however.
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Hello and thank you for provididing the answer! I can't quote you directly as the forum is a bit broken down for me at the moment.
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The ending is amazing! Makes the whole story of dozens of plot twists worth it with some actual meaty substance that a reader can chew on and take the next few weeks crying over whilst they digest the ramifications.
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Finished Praetorian today and WOW!! That ending was fantastic and unexpected, and I loved French's depiction of the Alpha Legion and their methods of war. Before this novel I felt that of all the Black Library authors, only Rob Sanders truly understood how the Alpha Legion functioned and waged war, but I am very glad to see that French gets it too. Archamus was a very good leading character, an ideal Fist through and through, and for the first time seeing Dorn from the perspective of somebody close to him rather than somebody who just happens to have been thrown together with him added a lot more depth to the VIIth Primarch.

Best scene for me was the meeting between Alpharius and Dorn in the past when they both discussed their methods of war. It was a great moment that offered pros and cons to both sides of the conflict, Dorn's honest front-line approach vs Alpharius's secretive and manipulative approach. What I liked most was that neither side appeared completely right, both arguments had merits and at times felt right and other times felt wrong. I personally sided with Alpharius as I was reminded of Tywin Lannister's question "Explain to me why it is more noble to kill 10,000 men in battle than a dozen at dinner." Alpharius clearly supports this ideal, while Dorn believes that a billion men dead in honest warfare is better than a hundred men killed by dishonest means. Dorn's argument on the aftermath had a lot of good points, but I felt that ultimately his attitude came off as warmongering and uncaring of lives. There is a difference between disliking dishonest methods of warfare and outright disregarding the value they have, no matter how many casualties the lack of these tactics causes.

(Warning: MASSIVE SPOILERS HERE.)



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