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Default Who can beat Curze in melee combat?

Curze says in Pharos that he can beat most of the primarchs including Sanguinius (doubtful about this since it was said Sanguinius can possibly defeat Angron). It got me thinking who could actually beat Curze in a fight and who would lose. I made my list below, which is divided into "definites" and "maybes".

Definite
Horus
Leman Russ (executioner, believes he can kill Horus)

Maybe
Lion El'Jonson (badly wounded Curze in prince of crows)
Sanguinius (considered to be one of the best primarchs in melee combat)
Corax
Angron
Fulgrim

There's a lot of conjecture on my part here. I'd like to know what other people's thoughts are on this topic.
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There's no definitive way with any of them tbh. The Khan is amazing in combat, whilst Mortarion is so durable he just wears anyone else down, as seen in Scars for both of them. It's just going to be based on who writes it.
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and i dont know why you say Horus for Definite since he wasnt as good a fighter as some of the others he was just an all rounder
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After 2 bottles of Buckfast, I'd give him a run for his money! As A.O.B says hard to put a definite on it, as it as it varies between authours on what primarchs are like, in "the lightning tower" Dorn reckons he would have beaten Kurze if he had not been sucker punched, and that he would "spit" Angron in a fight

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Rupert, the 21st Primarch, would have beaten him.
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Other than Angron beating Russ in night of the wolves in one on one combat, has there been ever a Primarch match with a clear winner? Lion and Curze are at a draw with 1-1 each (iirc), Russ vs Magnus, many will say that it was a lucky shot. I don't think there has been a clear winner in any other Primarch feud other than the one between Russ and Angron.

Vulkan vs Curze? Probably Vulkan but he didn't exactly won in the end. Bottom-line is that even after 30+ HH novels, there can be no Primarch strength ranking.
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Other than Angron beating Russ in night of the wolves in one on one combat, has there been ever a Primarch match with a clear winner? Lion and Curze are at a draw with 1-1 each (iirc), Russ vs Magnus, many will say that it was a lucky shot. I don't think there has been a clear winner in any other Primarch feud other than the one between Russ and Angron.

Vulkan vs Curze? Probably Vulkan but he didn't exactly won in the end. Bottom-line is that even after 30+ HH novels, there can be no Primarch strength ranking.
Well before Lorgar had is 'awakening' Corax absolutely dominated him. Probably far more than any other fight.

I wouldn't say Angron and Russ is a fair example either. Russ didn't want to kill Angron and wasn't willing to either I don't think, he just had a hubris moment and genuinely thought Angron would back down. Angron on the other hand was more than willing, plus he would have died anyway as the Legion had surrounded him, cutting him off from his own men.
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Although I found Curze in UE rather over the top,
based upon betrayer and the fight Russ vs Angron, I would say Angron definitely has an edge,
The Khan was convincing against Mortarion, I think he won on points,
Fulgrim got help from a Daemonic sword...
but these are rather pointless discussions as in the end Kharn the naysayer is right, Rupert would have beaten them all, if he was not suffering from cmd
we have heard about the martial prowess of Sanguinus and his wrath, it's about time we actually get to read about it
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I recall someone used the forgeworld rules for the primarchs to put up a power ranking. Horus came out on top because of his rules simply trashing everyone else.
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Well before Lorgar had is 'awakening' Corax absolutely dominated him. Probably far more than any other fight.
Yeah forgot about it, but as you said "You have changed" Lorgar is a different beast, he did dominated the demon Fulgrim and speaking of Fulgrim, what about Fulgrim vs Ferrus? I forgot about that too, although second encounter couldn't be said to be strictly fair, I do think that their first encounter on Ferrus' flagship was fair and Fulgrim did came on top at the end of it.

Horus is still to fight any Primarch but I think he will be written as someone who will win any conflict against any other Primarch. Probably we can see a Russ vs Horus match soon.

Then I do understand that writing one Primarch as absolutely better than other is problematic.
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