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Right...i don't think 763 years is enough for the IoM to lull into complacence
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It might actually be enough. Recall in The Talon of Horus when Khayon notes that it did not take very long for the IoM to declare that the Traitor Legions were dead and enter into a "Golden Age". He noted that they became complacent and arrogant in that time, and it was less than 763 years if I recall correctly.

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Right...i don't think 763 years is enough for the IoM to lull into complacence
Hmmm well if you take 763 years away from 2015 you get to 1252AD. I would say the modern world is pretty complacent about what happened during the medieval era? That was roughly around the time Europe was under the threat from Genghis Khan and the Mongols who were considered to be sent from hell. Not sure modern Europe is that worried about Mongolia these days!!!
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Hmmm well if you take 763 years away from 2015 you get to 1252AD. I would say the modern world is pretty complacent about what happened during the medieval era? That was roughly around the time Europe was under the threat from Genghis Khan and the Mongols who were considered to be sent from hell. Not sure modern Europe is that worried about Mongolia these days!!!
The Imperium and the real-life modern world don't operate on the same level of time IMO (e.g. the Great Crusade lasted for 200+ years and likely would have continued for another century or so...WW2 lasted for roughly 5). After the Heresy, the Imperium lives on for another 10,000 years (a ridiculous span of time by "real history" standards) and is likely to continue for a good while longer)

Furthermore, High Lords and lesser Imperial leaders generally take rejuvenat treatment to prolong youth and lifespan for a few extra centuries (Imperial leaders can live almost as long as Astartes). Therefore, I find it odd that after only 7 centuries, the Imperium has lapsed into complacency again after having been punished by the 1st Black Crusade

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How much damage do the Black Crusades really inflict on the Imperium? Considering 12 or 13 have been defeated, makes me doubt old Abaddon's efficacy.

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After reading about them, I guess he's accomplished the goals of many of the crusades.


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The Imperium and the real-life modern world don't operate on the same level of time IMO (e.g. the Great Crusade lasted for 200+ years and likely would have continued for another century or so...WW2 lasted for roughly 5). After the Heresy, the Imperium lives on for another 10,000 years (a ridiculous span of time by "real history" standards) and is likely to continue for a good while longer)

Furthermore, High Lords and lesser Imperial leaders generally take rejuvenat treatment to prolong youth and lifespan for a few extra centuries (Imperial leaders can live almost as long as Astartes). Therefore, I find it odd that after only 7 centuries, the Imperium has lapsed into complacency again after having been punished by the 1st Black Crusade
Those are good points I had not really considered. If you add in warp travel time dilation also then the whole thing gets even more screwy. Not disagreeing with you but just for fun and to continue the debate...

Even if you change this by a factor or 3 (to use real history vs IoM history taking account of your points above) then you still end up around 1761 AD. So not far off the American Revolution. Not sure the ramifications of that event are really being felt in the 21st century or particularly bother the Brits?

In terms of the "history" of the 40k universe and IoM then it would make more sense if the 1st Black Crusade came after The Beast... Then the IOM would have had a millennia or so to get complacent. Clearly not the case though in the fluff.
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I've pre-ordered the first 5 eBooks for this.

The thing I like the most is that there's a definite release date and its planned over a year.

If they had done that with the HH even if it was over 3-5 years I feel everyone would have been much more enthusiastic about it.
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Is the "Beast" in this series meant to be a worse or lesser Ork compared to the one that Horus and The Emperor fought in The Wolf of Ash and Fire?
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The Mech-Lord of Gorro slain in Wolf of Ash and Fire, was just a lesser warlord serving Ork Overlord Urrlak Urruk of Ullanor
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