500 pages of fire fire anvils fire drakes branding burning flaming fire fire fire fire FIRE FIREYFIRE FLAMERSFIRINGFIREYFIRETHATSETSSTUFFONFIREANDBURNS oh, lets break into the current largest most well defended location that holds the body of our dead primarch in stasis against the most organised and well drilled legion that was able to fight back against having a fucking spaceship catapulted into their planet and their sun turned into a warp-plague star and their planet otherwise burned and scalded into death by the vaporising of its southern seas a decimated titan legion and supported knights all but wiped out and their entire with their high command outside of their primarch missing or dead (their primarch out of action for 10 hours as well), no C2 network or effective ISTAR.
when we've done that, lets go through a fucking warpstorm that is able to block out the light of astronomicon and has some as yet unknown link with those cults of word bearers and their mortal followers with ramshackle ships.
And then when we get to our locations because of plot armour, lets throw a fucking primarch into an eternally erupting supervolcano
Salamanders and Ultramarines fighting Word Bearers on their own ships, Aeonid Thiel returning for real, and an ominous prophecy from Magnus the Red. What's not to like.
Think you folks are badly overreacting. Ive just finished Deathfire and I found it a rather enjoyable read. Infact I would rate it a good bit higher than Kyme's most recent book, Rebirth which I found to be fairly bland and uninspired.
Deathfire introduces some rather vile word bearers and showing just what the legion is devolving into. And what the sallies encounter inside the Ruinstorm is not your typical daemons, giving a really nice horror vibe as the daemons toy with their victims instead of the usual killmaim type daemons in more bolterporn books.
A couple teasers. The Death Guard, pre Nurgle, features heavilly. and we get a good look at Imperium Secundus.
If I have to give a single niggle to the book. I felt..
That the minor plotline for the grey angel wasn't fully resolved to satisfaction, leaving more questions than answers.
I'm struggling to keep reading this. I'll finish it, obv. It's just so pedestrianly written that my mind wanders away from the words and then when I focus again still nothing interesting or well-crafted is happening. Though admittedly I'm only a third of the way through it.
I guess I'm interested in what happens with Narek, to be fair.
I am very much looking forward to "Deathfire". But considering I have to wait for the mass paperback my patience will be stretched to its limits. I like Mr. Kyme's writing a lot.
- We are the Fire - repeated 100 times
- Vulkan Lives! - repeated 500 times
- SM in green shooting SM in Crimson, who is helping another SM in white, who is shooting SM in green - repeated 1000 times
- Marie Sue Black SM - repeated 100 times
The end.
Bye Bye Horus Heresy - you are dead for me
I'll reserve my judgement until I manage to grab a hold of the book, although I do like Salamanders and am looking forward to it. While some of the phrases used by Kyme can get repetitive, what do you exactly expect from a chapter that's entirely based on fire and earth lol. They certainly won't scream " Waaaagh or Blood for the Blood God or crackle stupid jokes like Sons of Horus. Compared to cheesyness I've read in Bowden's Helsreach ( EMhagwad im black templar and will smite you filthy xeno with my holy sword sdjasdjasjda ) and other black templar related novels, Salamanders are softcore.
"Which I believe include Rob Sanders continuing the story on Mars, Graham McNeill tackling The Crimson King, ADB taking up the mantle of the webway project on Terra, Gav Thorpe handling the Dark Angels and events Caliban, Chris Wraight with a sequel to the excellent Scars and Dan Abnett carrying Imperium Secundus forward."
I'm having my doubts about whether the above projects are ever going to bear fruit
actually I did not dislike Rebirth, the sallies came across as the ultimate naive and hammer-anvil strategy chapter, no deus ex-machina da' kir persons this time,
actually i was wondering if da' kir was a similar psyker as the sudden space wolf psyker in the stormcaller book ?
As far as we know ADB's Master of Mankind is just on hold while he works on the Black Legion stuff so that should still come out eventually.
Chris has been all quiet on the Black library front for a while but seeing as the Age of Sigmar novella has been written by him I assume he is still writing something 40k related and a Scars sequel would make sense.
The only one you highlighted that seems unlikely is Dan's as he has been working on so many other projects everywhere else him finding time to write HH, Warmaster, Penitent and the mysterious I am Slaughter alongside his comic, game, film and other novel work. but from what I heard he was pretty passionate about the Dreadwing project so it may see the light of day... eventually. With Angels of Caliban setting up the events with Corswain and Caliban's fall just on the horizon, having Dreadwing explain how the Lion got out of Ultramar and to Caliban after Angels of Caliban makes sense. So Dreadwing could just have been pushed back for that reason.
The one I'm most curious about is Rob Saunders Martian stuff. Wasn't cybernetica announced years ago then... poof! Nothing. Sounds like the most likely one to have been cancelled/ not happening.
And on a similar point, what happened to James Swallow? Do we know if he’s doing anything Heresy related since the last Garro story? I know Death Guard was floating around a while back but has there been any news on that front?
Chris has been all quiet on the Black library front for a while but seeing as the Age of Sigmar novella has been written by him I assume he is still writing something 40k related and a Scars sequel would make sense.
The one I'm most curious about is Rob Saunders Martian stuff. Wasn't cybernetica announced years ago then... poof! Nothing. Sounds like the most likely one to have been cancelled/ not happening.
And on a similar point, what happened to James Swallow? Do we know if he’s doing anything Heresy related since the last Garro story? I know Death Guard was floating around a while back but has there been any news on that front?
I tweeted Chris and it could be hinted at that he is working on more SW and Scars, but he wouldn't say exactly what. Rob Saunders only writes part-time, and works at a school which takes a lot of time (if I got it correctly). He pops up, writes something aweome (most of the time) then goes under the radar. Rumors are that after FTT, Swallow was demoted from writing anything other than Garro-audios. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if Chris got to write the Death Guard-story since he did a good job in Daemonology.
Andy Smilie would probably do a better job of Blood Angels, given how good he is with the Flesh Tearers. FTT wasnt bad, but most blood angels came off as rather flat. But som epic scenes for sure.
Andy Smilie would be a good choice! But has he actually written a full BL novel yet, everything I've seen is shorts and novellas?
Anyway is there any evidence behind the idea that JS wont be coming back? I know writers like Gav have taken very long breaks between Horus Heresy books. Hes still writing shorts and dramas so maybe hes just waiting for the right time? If he is writing a fall of the Death Guard book that would happen right before Terra, so holding the book back for the rest of the series to catch up make sense. Especially as the DG's earlier exploits have appeared a lot in Scars/ Vengeful spirit and Death Fire recently. Plus hes working on the new Deus Ex game, which I Imagine would eat up a lot of time.
Finished this last night. What a fucking turkey. I was rooting for the bad guys by the end of it. As for a trilogy, VL and this are the first two of the three as confirmed by Kyme in his afterword. So yes, sadly we'll be seeing at least one more book from him in the series.
Some gripes.
I was delighted to see Numeon die in the end. His emotional turmoil and angst were really pissing me off by the end.
The Hecht arc was handled very badly, with him just being parachuted into the story for no apparent reason.
The final battle scene was one of the most ridiculous yet. Badly out numbered by the DG, the last remaining Salamnders await their fate, only for the drakes that live in the lava flows to rise up and crush the DG armoured horde. Fuck right off with that. Then a still out numbered and largely neophyte Sally force crushes the remaing DG with almost no losses. Stupider and stupider.
Never mind the fact that an enemy ship was allowed to get close enough to a Legion home planet without being challenged. Not a single system defence ship or orbital defence weapon in sight? Not a fucking chance.
Before the battle the DG bombard the Sally position from orbit, but the void shields hold it out no problem. Then a few tanks land and all of a sudden they are worried the tanks might overload the shields? Come on, that's just plain dumb.
Once again the traitors, both WB and DG, are made out to be moronic comic villains the whole way through the book. I'm sick of it at this stage.
Oh I meant like 3rd person-interaction between any of the traitor Legions, like we saw the interaction between a couple of Word Bearers in Vulkan Lives, or are they all unnamed unknown faceless protagonists?
I didn't hate the novel. I was entertained, if confused at only a few turns. I think the finale battle could have been handled better if it wasn't so condensed, instead of happening in just a few pages with a "oh well and good then" mentality. Make it hard and back it up. (that's what she sa...)
'Shit was looking tough, neophytes were sweating and dying, but the X Chaplin knew the DG were tempting fate if the Sallies could just hold on.. because.. Salamanders weren't allowed to have x amount of armour on the x continent. They had to draw it out and wait a bit, more noise and reaction or something, not instant.
Yeah the ship thing was a bit odd. No reasoning was given for the time it took for a proper space response let alone why there were no surface to space defences on a Legion world. I guess this means the Chalice of Fire and Eyes of Vulcan were created after the HH. Maybe because they realised how easy to attack they were compared to others :grin:
I think the finale battle could have been handled better if it wasn't so condensed, instead of happening in just a few pages with a "oh well and good then" mentality.
Yeah, this. I wasn't bothered so much by what happened, more that reading it wasn't very entertaining or satisfying, and it just kind of seemed unnecessary.
Well nocturne is a death world. They probably were feeling a little too secure in its status to be suitable defense on its own.
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