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Aaah Dan Abnett ! The professionnal in entire writing roster in the BL.





Not that I've said the best, tough.

Don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite. He know how to write an epic story, can write some very witty and funny dialogue. Untill now, I never been really disappointed by a Dan Abnett novel or story. (If one did disappoint you, just tell me which one and why, your POV is interesting me.)

His writing gimmick always make me smile. (Especially, when he use italic policy to make actions and event description that more awesome. )

But Dan Abnett treatement of WH40K isn't without flaw.

You see, he love's the military and techno thriller stuff, I mean, the real one and I suspect that it played a role in his wrting with Battle of calth and Horus Rising. Sometimes, you read his work on ultramarine and almost guess there's a "USA" or "SAS" sigil instead of the Ultima symbol...

When I readed "Legion", I could almost mistake the place for a space Afghanistan or Irak planet. (Desert place... Veiled guerillero warriors... Yeah...)

Sometimes, he seems to ripp-off idea, like the Megarachnid in Horus Rising, who seem A LOT like the bugs from Starship troopers, or Iron Snake who made me think of a WHK Rip-off of 300.

But all in all I think his writing he's very good, and I'm glad he's helping to build the 40K verse. He's given some great concepts like the Perpetuals, the pariahs, which are all good idea to me. (Untill they began to overuse it, of course...)

I'm just afraid he will bow to the bad habits that haunt Black Library and start to use some of his plot or character toys too much, like I feel he's done in Unremembered Empire.

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When I readed "Legion", I could almost mistake the place for a space Afghanistan or Irak planet. (Desert place... Veiled guerillero warriors... Yeah...)

Sometimes, he seems to ripp-off idea, like the Megarachnid in Horus Rising, who seem A LOT like the bugs from Starship troopers, or Iron Snake who made me think of a WHK Rip-off of 300.
hell, he's an heck of a rip-off-man! He writes in a simple pleasant way though, and his novels are entertaining enough to be remembered

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I'm failing to see how Iron Snakes, is a rip off of 300? Sure the chapter is based heavily around Ancient Greek culture, but no more than the Space Wolves or Thousand Sons with the Norse and Egyptians respectively. But 300 specifically? Again, I really don't see the connection there.
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Ripoff.... so much of 40k fiction rips something else off. Abnett is better than most.
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I'm failing to see how Iron Snakes, is a rip off of 300? Sure the chapter is based heavily around Ancient Greek culture, but no more than the Space Wolves or Thousand Sons with the Norse and Egyptians respectively. But 300 specifically? Again, I really don't see the connection there.
I read it a long time ago, since someone stole me the book, all that's was left to me was my impression at the time. I confessed to have half forgotted the book except this odd feeling, but I can be wrong.
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40k is pretty much a total rip-off of everything. Ever.

Double Eagle is a blatant 40k retelling of the Battle of Britain. Does that make it a bad book? Hell no!

Yet GW love swing the IP Hammer when somebody dares to copy them. I believe that could be called double standards


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40k is pretty much a total rip-off of everything. Ever.

Double Eagle is a blatant 40k retelling of the Battle of Britain. Does that make it a bad book? Hell no!

Yet GW love swing the IP Hammer when somebody dares to copy them. I believe that could be called double standards
I second that.

It's just, some ripoff are more obvious than others, and some are more "in tune" with the general mood of a work than some.

Like you said, ripoff aren't that bad. I remember that a quite illustrious writers said that in the wrtiing world, "stealing idea" was too often defined as "research work".

But you could ripoff something bad, and make it good. (And vice versa, alas !)
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There are no original thoughts in any fiction, really. Ciaphus Cain is Blackadder in space, Gaunt's Ghosts is a reworking of the Sharpe novels. However, if you take an old idea and manage to put a new and original twist on it, which Abnetts does, good on ya. We have seen a BL author rip off others almost word for word, but it's not Abnett.
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I think its kind of harsh, though I know your not trying to be. I actually liked all his Heresy Novels thus far. Some more than others.

I would say that some of his novels are quite radical, like Legion, or Prospero Burns. However, if my time in the Heresy series has taught me anything, its that I would choose quality any day.

Horus Rising, still such an awesome book, and I really don't think the series would have gone this far without it.

As far as his "radical" pieces, I've always noticed polar feeling from either or both Legion, or Prospero Burns. In each instance, it makes each legion appear over powered compared to the rest. But I once wondered how the series would be if Dan Abnett could have written about each legion. It would have probably been impossible, but it certainly would have had a certain flow. There are very few authors in the Heresy Series that should be considered consistent, and along with ADB, I would say Abnett really fills that spot.
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I think it's too easy to say that someone "ripped something off" or that he is "re-making" someone else's work.

Sharpe and Gaunt, to name an example, share very few qualities other than being imaginative commanders who care about their soldiers despite being thrust in a vicious war. Even fewer of those qualities are anything more than tangential connections (e.g., both Gaunt and Sharpe have a likable second-in-command whose death drives home the sense of loss to the reader).

And where the Iron Snakes of Ithaca are concerned, virtually the only real link between them and "300" is that the Spartans were a Greek people and Abnett looked to mythic Greece for inspiration. There is, literally, nothing explicitly Spartan about the Iron Snakes.
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