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I'm not so sure for the Theoretical/Practical things, it sounds more like some military manual, which is perfect for Guilliman characterisation as the ultimate logistic/organisational leader.

No doubt that Ultramarines are inspired by the Roman empire, but "inspired" is the key word. Frankly, all Dan Abnett has really done is putting latin names and titles on some characters, and that's all.

When you get a closer look on Maccrage inthe Unremembered empire, it looks more like a modern country of the early twenty century.

And John Grammaticus looks more like a cross between James Bond and Jason Bourne, with a dash of Zakalwe from Consider Phlebas indeed.

That doesn't stop neither to be awesome, tough.
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I'm not so sure for the Theoretical/Practical things, it sounds more like some military manual, which is perfect for Guilliman characterisation as the ultimate logistic/organisational leader.

No doubt that Ultramarines are inspired by the Roman empire, but "inspired" is the key word. Frankly, all Dan Abnett has really done is putting latin names and titles on some characters, and that's all.

When you get a closer look on Maccrage inthe Unremembered empire, it looks more like a modern country of the early twenty century.

And John Grammaticus looks more like a cross between James Bond and Jason Bourne, with a dash of Zakalwe from Consider Phlebas indeed.

That doesn't stop neither to be awesome, tough.
there was a 20th century country that was ruled by one leader but devided into parts with their own representative caretakers like roman senates? because that is what 30th Millenium Ultramar was.
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40k is pretty much a total rip-off of everything. Ever.

Double Eagle is a blatant 40k retelling of the Battle of Britain. Does that make it a bad book? Hell no!
Pearl Harbour, mate. Pearl harbour. No seriously. If you can stomach watching that piece of shit of a film (in between the splodey bits, anyway), then it's more than blatant, it's near enough a shot for shot copy of the film.

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In sorry but comparing anything in 40k to America is just plain wrong
Well, there's the odd outlier like Sly Marbo. But I was more going for the idea that everyone has a cultural or personal context that gives them some reason to draw a comparison where fiction is concerned.
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Pearl Harbour, mate. Pearl harbour. No seriously. If you can stomach watching that piece of shit of a film (in between the splodey bits, anyway), then it's more than blatant, it's near enough a shot for shot copy of the film.
I watched that steaming turd once and the historian in me nearly suffered multiple aneurisms......


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I watched that steaming turd once and the historian in me nearly suffered multiple aneurisms......
I go off the thread a little more, but as an history afficionados I do know that history and movies doesn't mix very well.

Too much different goals, and too much imperatives between the two.
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Pearl Harbour, mate. Pearl harbour. No seriously. If you can stomach watching that piece of shit of a film (in between the splodey bits, anyway), then it's more than blatant, it's near enough a shot for shot copy of the film.

As for lokens comments regarding theoreticals and practicals, I'm not entirely sure what he's on about. Racks room talk is pretty much all about what happens if the Russians Attack, or where they're going to come from, or what if it's the Americans, or what we're going to do about Africa.
But theoreticals and pTactical a are something each individual member of the ultramarines come up with. There isn't an army in the world that does this

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But theoreticals and pTactical a are something each individual member of the ultramarines come up with. There isn't an army in the world that does this
Vaz is saying that no, troopers in modern armies do frequently come up with independent theoreticals and frankly, I think his word on that is more valid than yours from what I know of you both.

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Vaz is saying that no, troopers in modern armies do frequently come up with independent theoreticals and frankly, I think his word on that is more valid than yours from what I know of you both.
Of course soldiers come try to come up with an understanding of the battlefield, but name me one army on earth that says aloud to their fellow soldiers and commanders "The theoretical is ____, and the practical is _____". There isnt one. Again if we are going to compare the ultramarine to any modern army it would be the Canadians or the Brits for their supreme training.

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Of course soldiers come try to come up with an understanding of the battlefield, but name me one army on earth that says aloud to their fellow soldiers and commanders "The theoretical is ____, and the practical is _____". There isnt one. Again if we are going to compare the ultramarine to any modern army it would be the Canadians or the Brits for their supreme training.
I'm sure this statement it's not having anything to do with the fact your canadian !

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