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Personally I thought it was a bigger book, due to it being billed as a first edition novel, which made me think of The Talon of Horus and Rebirth.

But pulling this on the reading base, certainly makes me rather uninterested in pursuing future service stud offers, if its not going to be a good thick read.


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Felt so irritated that over it that Ive just sent a mail to black library about the clearly misstated novel, that in truth is a novella.

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Guys, I feel your pain... but I'm - sorry to be blunt - not interested in a debate on whether or not Lemartes deserves a certain word count. I'm simply pointing out that:

1. The preceding two works of the same format (Arjac, Mephiston) were much shorter than normal novels;
2. That there has been an obvious shift toward higher prices for "exclusive" and "enhanced" formats, and audio dramas.

Given those two things, I never thought that Lemartes was going to be a substantial read. "Novel" or not in length, the precedent never led me to think it was going to be huge. I guess I just assumed Annandale went over the expected word count within the time he was allowed, and Black Library saw it as a bonus. Bad advertising? Yeah, probably. I guess Black Library could argue that the definition of a novel (in terms of word count) will vary by person, but all the same they had to know that Lemartes was shorter than any other novel they've released thus far (to my knowledge).

Still, I stand by my earlier words: if you spent 300/$400 to get an "exclusive" book that probably would have gone for 45 or more for free, then you needed to be more cautious with your investment. When you get into paying a premium (45 or more for a book certainly qualifies as such) for items that are meant to be collectible, value and prices get incredibly muddled. I genuinely feel bad for those who spent more than they normally woulds to get Lemartes and were left disappointed.
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Guys, I feel your pain... but I'm - sorry to be blunt - not interested in a debate on whether or not Lemartes deserves a certain word count. I'm simply pointing out that:

1. The preceding two works of the same format (Arjac, Mephiston) were much shorter than normal novels;
And as I said that is not what bothers me. What bothers me is that Mephiston and Arjac were both billed as "novellas" while Lemartes has been billed as a "novel" when it is not. And it isn't just this series;

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhamme...-hardback.html

Deathstorm is the same length as Lemartes, yet it is billed as a "novella" which is correct. So why is Lemartes, the exact same length as Deathstorm, instead billed as a "novel"? Because Black Library knew that most would not give a toss about yet another LE novella. But a First Edition novel? Yes, a lot of people would care about that. So they mislead us about it's length by saying it is a novel, when every BL "novel" has been at least 250+ pages, with some reaching 400 pages.

What bothers me is that Black Library has mislabelled Lemartes to boost sales. False advertising. I feel cheated and insulted by this, so much so that I plan on selling my copy on eBay right away and waiting for the regular version, and reviews to determine whether or not it's worth my time.

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Edit: Felt so irritated that over it that Ive just sent a mail to black library about the clearly misstated novel, that in truth is a novella.
Good. They shouldn't be allowed to mis-state their products this way.


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Lord of the Night,

Where the length of a novel is concerned, I'm pretty sure Black Library wouldn't have advertised Lemartes as a novel if it didn't technically meet the definition. So again, I go back to my earlier point, which is that Black Library wasn't cranking out a big word count for these character-driven entries... and that there has been a decisive shift toward premium prices for products whose biggest feature is collectability/limited availability. With the exception of Talon of Horus and Sabbat Crusade (both of which came from excellent authors and whose context indicated a significant word count/page number), not a single Limited Edition thus far has made me think "this book will be huge and/or worth the price of admission."

So believe me, I genuinely feel bad for anyone who spent more than they normally would have to get the six Service Studs and Lemartes... but I still think they should have been more... reserved in their expectations?
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Me neither and also the reason why I never got into trying to get it. Heck I'm surprised not more people are turning to not so legal e-books from "the friend on the Internet" as Black Library keep on fucking over its consumers.
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Where the length of a novel is concerned, I'm pretty sure Black Library wouldn't have advertised Lemartes as a novel if it didn't technically meet the definition.
But then why is Deathstorm advertised as a novella and Lemartes as a novel? They are the same length so either Deathstorm is also a novel or Lemartes is also a novella. I'm sure that "technically" Lemartes does meet the requirements to be called a novel, but I think the reason that Black Library have called Lemartes a novel is to boost sales, to get people interested in it while knowing that if they called it a novella, not nearly as many would care.

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Me neither and also the reason why I never got into trying to get it. Heck I'm surprised not more people are turning to not so legal e-books from "the friend on the Internet" as Black Library keep on fucking over its consumers.
I'm not surprised by that either. Before this I used to only get the eShorts from the internet, now though... well truthfully now the only products that BL puts out that I care about anymore are their hardbacks, which they've ensured we have to buy from them by including artwork in each one; the artwork meaning that third parties like Amazon or Book Depository are not allowed to sell them. So we have to buy from BL. I'll keep an eye for those, but from now on I think anything of Black Library's I can get from elsewhere, I will.


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Lord of the Night,

As to your question, I have no idea. Are they the exact same length?

As to your assertion, I agree. While I don't doubt Black Library has arguments as to why a "Limited Edition", "First Edition", etc, product is worth 45 or more, I also don't doubt they are aware that it stings quite a few people when they pay two or three times the price of a novel for a novella of half the size.

Black Library made a calculated business decision that is based on the fact that their customer base can be relied upon to purchase limited/exclusive products at a premium price in an amount sufficient to justify said pricing scheme. The Black Library Loyalty Scheme is part of that. Now, if the trend for the company is toward increasingly expensive entries that are also increasingly disappointing insofar as the quality/quantity of their content is concerned, one can't be surprised when their purchase falls within that trend. There has to come a time when the customer votes with their wallet.

I'll grant you that I have a very easy time preaching form my pulpit: my family life (toddler and infant increasingly trying to get their hands on their dad's prized possessions) and professional life (military guy on the go) mean that I've overwhelmingly bought eBooks from Black Library. I've resented the price creep that has seen me pay double what I was paying just a couple of years ago for full-length novels. At the same time, though, that price has remained low enough to not affect me... and I recognize that $17-19 for something that will occupy me for several days (just on the first read) isn't that bad a deal (assuming it's a good read).

I get that most people don't like eBooks, but - short of going to a Special Friend on the Internet - I wonder if that's not a better short-term solution than continuing to spend two or three times that amount of money on things that may piss you off.
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As to your question, I have no idea. Are they the exact same length?
Yes, they are. Both Deathstorm and Lemartes are 173 pages long. Yet they are advertised differently.

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I get that most people don't like eBooks, but - short of going to a Special Friend on the Internet - I wonder if that's not a better short-term solution than continuing to spend two or three times that amount of money on things that may piss you off.
I don't trust data that way. Too easy to lose. I have a friend who lost every single book he owed because his kindle broke. And i've lost all the data on my laptop due to a faulty hardrive.


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Yes, they are. Both Deathstorm and Lemartes are 173 pages long. Yet they are advertised differently.


I don't trust data that way. Too easy to lose. I have a friend who lost every single book he owed because his kindle broke. And i've lost all the data on my laptop due to a faulty hardrive.


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For exactly that reason i keep a backup folder of all my kindle ebooks on my pc. so if the kindle breaks, i can easilly restore everything.
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