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Even though Vengeful spirit had most favourite characters in it, i consider it totally awfull book. Many changes to characters just suddenly, totally idiotic battle scenes, Loken sent with stupid mission among other things. Worst from Graham so far in HH series.

Yeah, I've only heard as such. It's a shame as it had such high potential and people had been looking forward to see Horus again.
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Yeah, I've only heard as such. It's a shame as it had such high potential and people had been looking forward to see Horus again.
My least favourite thing from graham in general is how he takes cool one liners from other authors and ruins them...."today we march for molech"

Fuck of McNeill

Today, I march for Calth
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My least favourite thing from graham in general is how he takes cool one liners from other authors and ruins them...."today we march for molech"

Fuck of McNeill
Which particularly author and which book did he steal that from?
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Which particularly author and which book did he steal that from?
either in know no fear, or Unremembered empire an ultramarine said "Today we march for Calth" wich is a parody itself from "we march for Macrage" (however you spell it)
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Which particularly author and which book did he steal that from?
Dan abnett know no fear, VENTANUS says today we march for calth

Today, I march for Calth
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My least favourite thing from graham in general is how he takes cool one liners from other authors and ruins them...."today we march for molech"

Fuck of McNeill
You mean apart from his timeline breaking, continuity breaking, poor characterisation, poorer prose, shit action writing... we're reading Bolter porn, and that is the best people can come up with.

I'm half expecting yippeekieyay modther fragger though,I k.ow what you mean.



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I think his main faults are the aforementioned timeline / continuity meddling (which he just seems to do because he can, the end results are always weaker than the starting position), important character progression happening off-page, and his needless world-shrinking. Not everyone should have a book of Karkasy poems, be a fan of the artists from Fulgrim or be a distant ancestor of someone we know exists in 40K.
It would also be nice if he hadn't made his 40K Iron Warriors all the most important half-dozen dudes in the legion 10,000 years earlier who now have nowhere to go in terms of character.

Oh and while his real-world reference inclusion was cute at first it started to get cringe in Angel Exterminatus, and then the bit where Horus literally stops to explain to the reader the real world origin of Abaddon's name in Vengeful Spirit and how relevant thematically it is to the GW character was astonishingly obnoxious.
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either in know no fear, or Unremembered empire an ultramarine said "Today we march for Calth" wich is a parody itself from "we march for Macrage" (however you spell it)
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Dan abnett know no fear, VENTANUS says today we march for calth
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Dan abnett know no fear, VENTANUS says today we march for calth
Yeah, the quote is old and used a lot amongst the Ultramarines. Graham is the author behind the 40k-version of the Ultramarines-series, so I would see it more as a hint to that rather than outright stealing.

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I think his main faults are the aforementioned timeline / continuity meddling (which he just seems to do because he can, the end results are always weaker than the starting position), important character progression happening off-page, and his needless world-shrinking. Not everyone should have a book of Karkasy poems, be a fan of the artists from Fulgrim or be a distant ancestor of someone we know exists in 40K.
It would also be nice if he hadn't made his 40K Iron Warriors all the most important half-dozen dudes in the legion 10,000 years earlier who now have nowhere to go in terms of character.

Oh and while his real-world reference inclusion was cute at first it started to get cringe in Angel Exterminatus, and then the bit where Horus literally stops to explain to the reader the real world origin of Abaddon's name in Vengeful Spirit and how relevant thematically it is to the GW character was astonishingly obnoxious.
Yeah, that feels like a real breaking the illussion and 4th wall in a bad way. One thing when they say Horus was destined to fall, but another to talk about the origins of Abaddons name.
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Yeah, the quote is old and used a lot amongst the Ultramarines. Graham is the author behind the 40k-version of the Ultramarines-series, so I would see it more as a hint to that rather than outright stealing.
McNeill, hinting his own work? Naaaaah, he NEVER does that.
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Yeah, the quote is old and used a lot amongst the Ultramarines. Graham is the author behind the 40k-version of the Ultramarines-series, so I would see it more as a hint to that rather than outright stealing.
And hint is Ventanus having a blue snake as his chosen iconography.

What Graham McNeil does is base plots around his 40K books.



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