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I agree with most other people - I think that Loken returning to the series was a terrible idea. I loved him as a character in the opening 3 novels, and his death capped off the opening of the Heresy beautifully.

The whole issue has only been exasperated by his incredibly boring portrayals since he has returned - not to mention the terrible suicide attack on the Vengeful Spirit in Vengeful Spirit. His return has thus far served no purpose, and I don't think he can now fulfil any purpose in the series which will make me think his return was worth it.



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I suppose it is all opinion, tho i do feel at the end he will have served a major purpose, and he will die on the Vengeful spirit, next to the emperor

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"It was here that he had re awakened, burried beneath the stone. Here that he had dug himself out, born on a single mindedness that bordered on lunacy."

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How does that work for you? A Cathedral, fell on him, after he had already been beaten half to death by Abaddon. And once again. how on earth do you suppose he survived the orbital bombardment?? What's your stance on Tarvitz, Rylanor, Vipus? Hmm?
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How does that work for you? A Cathedral, fell on him, after he had already been beaten half to death by Abaddon. And once again. how on earth do you suppose he survived the orbital bombardment?? What's your stance on Tarvitz, Rylanor, Vipus? Hmm?
The rubble of the building protected him from the bombardment. His power armor protected him from the rubble.

Also, rylanor may yet be alive. Graham mcniell hinted at it.

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From a bombardment that was ordered to wipe the city off the face of the planet? Horus wanted it bombed so thoroughly that the defences that protected them from the life eater virus wouldn't even be effective. And somehow, a building, that's collapsed, and not even covering Loken from the outside, as he can see the bombardment starting. Protects him.

What utter bullshit. Again. Loken lived, therefore I am fully expecting them to pull Tarvitz and Vipus back in, they'll probably join Malcadors Knights as well.
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Knowing my luck Tarvitz will come back but be the first victim of Lucius's possession ><
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Loken perfectly portrayed the realities of war, and especially the Heresy was played. I just don't see how anyone feels heart broken that the traitor legions fell to the ruinous powers after they brought Loken back.

The butchering of the loyalists is supposed to be viewed in horror and depict the insanity and warped minded state that the traitors fell into. It was almost as though someone was literally ripping his own body apart. We were all supposed to look in horror as those limbs that had become such an important part of that person and in this case the Imperium being cast down and destroyed. Loken, along with the thousands of other loyalists who were able to dig holes and hide, really take away from the tragic story of the traitors falling.

The Heresy story now seems more like the imperfect Imperium fighting the perfect Imperium, rather than perfection tearing itself from within.
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how on earth do you suppose he survived the orbital bombardment?? What's your stance on Tarvitz, Rylanor, Vipus? Hmm?
This has actually reminded me that the big questions after GiF came out was would Rylanor reappear in the series, not Loken. People unquestioningly accepted that Loken was dead, but Rylanor was last seen heading deeper underground, thus giving him more of a chance of surviving, never mind the fact that he was a contemptor dreadnought. His return wouldn't have been as laughable, and a contemptor striding around with the knights errant would have been way cooler.
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This has actually reminded me that the big questions after GiF came out was would Rylanor reappear in the series, not Loken. People unquestioningly accepted that Loken was dead, but Rylanor was last seen heading deeper underground, thus giving him more of a chance of surviving, never mind the fact that he was a contemptor dreadnought. His return wouldn't have been as laughable, and a contemptor striding around with the knights errant would have been way cooler.
If i remember correctly, mcniell said he will be writing short story on rylanor...

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Knowing McNeill's flare for a shit twist. Loken as 'Cerberus' probably kills him somehow.
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