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No, I would rather get an allusion to the fact that Mortarion changed his ways AND get a short story that fleshes that out. Something like Mortarion pausing for a second after butchering his bodyguards and then squashing a momentary feeling of regret. Then, saying something like how only [however much time passes between Scars and Vengeful Spirit] ago he would not even have considered what he had just done, but that he had come a long way since Terathalion, where his eyes had been opened.

Or something to that effect.

Instead, I got a novel that went about as if there was nothing unusual about Mortarion pulling a 180 with his most fervently expressed moral stand. Then, almost seven months later, I got a story that purported to explain this.

No thanks!
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No, I would rather get an allusion to the fact that Mortarion changed his ways AND get a short story that fleshes that out. Something like Mortarion pausing for a second after butchering his bodyguards and then squashing a momentary feeling of regret. Then, saying something like how only [however much time passes between Scars and Vengeful Spirit] ago he would not even have considered what he had just done, but that he had come a long way since Terathalion, where his eyes had been opened.

Or something to that effect.

Instead, I got a novel that went about as if there was nothing unusual about Mortarion pulling a 180 with his most fervently expressed moral stand. Then, almost seven months later, I got a story that purported to explain this.

No thanks!
No matter what they put in someone would have complained about not having a good enough explanation. It's not a first time writers pulled something out of their ass and never explained it until much later on.
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Dude, I'm honestly at a loss as to why you would be so ardent in defending a bad writing decision. Just because something bad happens doesn't mean the paying customer shouldn't expect a higher standard. I assure you, it is not even remotely a standard to write characters acting uncharacteristically without so much as an allusion to that fact.
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Dude, I'm honestly at a loss as to why you would be so ardent in defending a bad writing decision. Just because something bad happens doesn't mean the paying customer shouldn't expect a higher standard. I assure you, it is not even remotely a standard to write characters acting uncharacteristically without so much as an allusion to that fact.
It is a legit marketing strategy. That's all I am saying.
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No offense intended, but it really isn't. But by all means: e-mail Graham McNeill and ask him if he deliberately wrote Mortarion out-of-character for the purposes of generating negative publicity as a means of driving interest for his novel and any follow-on material tied to it.
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I'm with Phoebus here. Whilst I get what you're saying, generating negative reviews and attracting criticism is not a smart marketing move in the slightest. You never want to deliberatly generate bad publicity and perception of a product, especially a book, simply to get people to buy the next one, even more so if the next one is a tiny short.
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Agreed. Also, as an artist/author I'm sure you would take issue with your publisher asking you to write one of your characters not only slightly out of character, but completely the opposite of how he is supposed to be for a marketing strategy (and a terrible marketing strategy at that).

Also, how much money does BL realistically make from sales of 1.99 ebook short stories? I don't imagine that much. So demanding an author completely change the character of one of the Primarchs in order to make a negligible profit on a few short story ebooks would be absurd. Also, that is assuming sales of Daemonology have been greater than they would have been if McNeill did allude to the character alteration in Vengeful Spirit.

As P said earlier, it wouldn't really be an issue if McNeill had alluded to it in Vengeful Spirit - but he didn't, not one iota.



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McNeill...I've given up one him. A Thousand Sons was good (not great mind you, but quite good). Everything else by him before and after ATS has been really bad in my opinion. I haven't read Storm of Iron, perhaps that is another exception?
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Storm of Iron isn't bad, not great either. It does make Angel Exterminatus even worse though, as you see how much of a shameless set up for Storm of Iron it is.
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And to look forward to, we now have a McNeil fuck up of the Alpha Legion, and a McNeil fuck up of the Ultramarines once again, this time in 1st edition and Space Marine battle level fuck ups in regards to his Battle for Macragge.

YAY.



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