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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 08-29-14, 03:45 PM Thread Starter
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I have turned my brain off when reading the Heresy books when it comes to the names of the Primarchs. Did the Emperor name them, or were they given names on their home planets? I figured that the names of the Primarhs were on their capsules when they landed and the people who found them, or the Primarch himself adopted the name. Kind of like the whole comic book "Wolverine" theme. How could they read it since they were different cultures? All of it is based off the Terran language so even after 10k years of isolation there may still have been enough of a connection to decipher it. OR, the writing on the capsules was Colchisian (as pointed out in the "First Heretic", there were glyphs on the capsules put there by the Emperor). Colchisian is the universal lang. of Chaos and I am sure each Primarch was put on a planet that would have some connection to Chaos since the ruinous powers were able to cherry pick them.

Here is the inconsistencies that I can see in either case. Ferrus Manus and Curze contrast each other whichever case you believe. If Ferrus Manus was named by the Emperor he named him he knew he was going to eventualy have hands of iron (Ferrus Manus means Iron Hands in Latin). Not to mention his legion always had the name "Iron Hands" which also seems like too much of a coincidence. You could also make the same case for the "Blood Angels" since their primarch has an angelic form (that however can be explained by looking in the capsule before they were thrown in the warp and seeing wings on the fetus).

Now if you go with the idea that the primarchs got their names from the cultures they were placed in Curze has an inconsistency. When he meets up with the Emperor, the Emperor calls him by his "given name" and Curze rejects it saying he is his adopted persona "The Night Haunter". Where did the name Conrad Curze come from since he obviously didn't come up with it, and the local population are the ones who came up with "Night Haunter".
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In most cases the Primarchs were named by their adoptive humans on the worlds they found themselves on. For example Lion El'Jonson means "Son of the Forest", and Mortarion means "Child of Death".



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Ok, but where did Conrad Curze come from than? If you are known as something menacing like "Night Haunter", why to "ya, but my friends call me Conrad", and how was the Emperor aware of the Curze name?
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The Emperor named him Konrad Curze when he arrived on Nostromo.
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The Emperor named him Konrad Curze when he arrived on Nostromo.
Where did you get that info from, and why would the Emperor decide to change Night Haunter's name and no one elses?
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Prince of Crows. And I'm guessing because all the others had actual names, ones that could fit in his Imperium. Night Haunter just doesn't really fit in for the sagas and tales the Primarchs exploits would invoke.
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Also, other than his name being "Ferus Manus" his Legion was named by the Emperor if I am not mistaken. The Warhounds and the Dusk Raiders changed their names once their primarchs were discovered, but I believe the Iron Hands have always been the Iron Hands.

Too much of a coincidence for the Emp. to name them that and than suddenly their Primarch (Ferrus Manus) gets Fists of Iron!
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Too much of a coincidence for the Emp. to name them that and than suddenly their Primarch (Ferrus Manus) gets Fists of Iron!
You would think that the Emperor was some sort of powerful pysker with the ability to see parts of the future or something. Maybe? Or is that too much even for the Emperor?

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Also, other than his name being "Ferus Manus" his Legion was named by the Emperor if I am not mistaken. The Warhounds and the Dusk Raiders changed their names once their primarchs were discovered, but I believe the Iron Hands have always been the Iron Hands.

Too much of a coincidence for the Emp. to name them that and than suddenly their Primarch (Ferrus Manus) gets Fists of Iron!
Hmrm, they were known as the Storm Walkers pre Ferrus Manus, and usually refered to as the Iron Tenth when Manus was discovered. So they likely took their name from their primarch.

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The Emperor named him Konrad Curze when he arrived on Nostromo.
No, the Emperor called him that. Now, why he called him that is not clear, but there's two explanations possible here.

a) The Emperor named his sons while they were in test tubes and most of them simply ignored his choices and retained the names they'd been given on their homeworlds (although this is strange, since Perturabo suddenly feels like he knows his name when he's first asked about it and then introduces himself to the people who asked him)
b) The primarch needed to adopt some sort of name to interact with various people on Nostramo during the time that his reputation as the Night Haunter was still being built, and the Emperor just picked it out via prophecy or telepathy.

Now, obviously, I think the second option makes more sense. I doubt even a primarch can kill enough important people to become public enemy number 1 of an entire hivevorld over night. That's an entire planet after all, just moving between kills takes forever. And besides, he did love to space his kills in between, to let the effects sink in, to terrorize the people who would be next in line. During that time, the primarch needed a name, an identity, if only not to draw attention to himself.

The story behind the name would be interesting to hear, though. Was it just two words picked at random? Was it the name of one of his victims or someone he wanted to avenge? Is there any baggage attached to his choice?

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