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It was originally a relief to find people getting a range of Traitor Primarchs. I thought through some mathematical glitch everyone might get the same one! Hi LordOftheNight. I put up your insightful review of Archaon: Everchosen on the blog. I sent you a message originally through the Bolt Hole. I also see I have questions to answer for you in the Ask the Author section. : )
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Fulgrim....I have always been pretty perfect ;)
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I've gone and done it again. THERE IS ONLY WAR - 'MY BAD' comic strip.
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Just got done with Legion of the Damned.

I can only think of three things about this book that left me wanting for something different (or more):

1. A different cover and title. I actually really like how the Legion was used, but I felt it was a shame that it took attention away from what the novel was really about - the Excoriators, and the conflict of what it means to be one of the Adeptus Astartes.

More importantly, I fell in the trap of buying into negative publicity that arose because many readers felt this wasn't really a Legion of the Damned novel. I don't know why; I did give Prospero Burns a shot (and enjoyed it), after all... but there it is. I waited two years to give this book a shot, and it blew me away.

2. I wanted Kersh to call out Skase and Ishmael at the end of the honour duel. You know, something like telling Skase to come get his blade, but then reminding him that he got disarmed and that his blade is on the ground; and then turning to Ishmael and telling that honourless cur to come pull his sword out of Kersh's guts if he wants it back.

3. I wanted a little more of the Pilgrim. Kersh's ride out of Obsequa City was amazing, but I was hoping for a bit of that intensity to have gone into Kersh and Skase's desperate stand against the Cholercaust's leader.

Other than that... I loved this book. Kudos!
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Hi Phoebus,

3.) Agreed - might be good to see more of the Pilgrim.

2.) That's actually a pretty good scene you've written there. *grabs notebook*

1.) Titles, ah titles. Fist thing to know about titles is that the author is not the only one with a hand in the titles. Authors can't actually call books whatever they want and there are other interested parties who push for one thing or another. In the end I settled on 'Legion of the Damned' because it could be interpreted as a metaphor. There are, in fact, three 'damned' legions in the novel. The Legion of the Damned (of course), the Excoriators (they seem almost cursed with bad fortune) and the World Eaters, who are damned to serve the Blood God. In that way the title covered virtually everything in the book rather than one element. After all, the Legion of the Damned can't really turn up at the beginning of the story. That's not the way they work as a phenomenon.

Hope that addresses your cool points. Cheers for reading. Glad you enjoyed the novel. : )
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1.) Titles, ah titles. Fist thing to know about titles is that the author is not the only one with a hand in the titles. Authors can't actually call books whatever they want and there are other interested parties who push for one thing or another.
I've always wondered how much outside influence/pressure goes into the naming of some of these books. I had assumed you chose LoTD as the title due to the simple, yet significant, threefold meaning of it (which you mentioned). But to cite another example, when I was reading Peter Fehervari's excellent Fire Caste, I kept thinking that there was no way that that was the original intended title (further disservice was done to that book by it being marketed as a Tau novel, when in fact it was a cerebral Imperial Guard outing).

I truly laud The Black Library for seeking writers who are, well, writers, and not just auteurs of bolter porn. But in the end, they have miniatures to sell, and they want to steer the readers into the GW shoppes to buy them.


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After all, the Legion of the Damned can't really turn up at the beginning of the story. That's not the way they work as a phenomenon.
I think the people that feel misled or shortchanged by the title/cover lose sight of the essence of the Legion. Yes, a Fire Hawks/Legion "then and now" book would be great, but how can you flesh out a story around them as they are now to satisfy a chronicle of the Certus Minor/Cholercaust event? Let's face it; the Legion looks damn cool, but they make for piss-poor protagonists...


Spoiler alert: that ain't Laurence Olivier under there.

And that's the thing; the Legion as they are are a bastard, masturbatory amalgamation of all things teenage boys find cool; cloaked in black, festooned with skulls and flames, skeletal parts showing through cracked armor, and, oh of course, unkillable, like playing Doom on god mode.

Thinking that you are going to get 400 pages of these death dealers dealing death simply because the title names them and they are on the cover is kind of puerile (and would make a boring book).

I think Sanders gets all the more credit for realizing that since the ghosts can't carry the story part of the book, he should make a sort of "living equivalent" of the Legion. And that's why the Excoriators work so well.

As I mentioned in my review of LoTD, look at the contrasts between the Kersh and his spectral watcher:

Black armor (death)/White armor (life)
Armor forever damaged in death/Damage to armor preserved through life
The watcher's burning red eye that sees into the world of the living/Kersh's dead steel eye that sees into the world of the dead
One immortal/one just impossible to kill...

In the end, I can't tell someone what they should feel satisfies them or leaves them wanting more. From what I've seen, though, not too many who actually do read it can complain about the merits of the writing. And that's because it's a damn good book.

Plus, maybe being a lifelong Godzilla fan makes me more tolerant of things like this. For every Godzilla movie, his name is usually in the title, his image hogs the poster, and yet, you only get about 15 minutes of Big-G action after an hour and a half of Japanese people talking (none of them as cool as the Excoriators either). So yeah, I can deal with the Legion only being there for the last hurrah. It's all good.
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I don't think I can put it better than Hachiko, so I won't paraphrase. Good points, sir. : ) Great review (http://hachisnaxreads.blogspot.co.uk...of-damned.html ) and great picture. Where did the picture come from?
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Where did the picture come from?
I just grabbed it from the Warhammer 40K wiki. I thought maybe it was one of Sullivan's concept pieces for your book cover.
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