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post #81 of 87 (permalink) Old 12-01-13, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Reaper45 View Post
Last bit of the book, Abaddon states that the entire purpose of the war was to get forces for the next black crusade. I don't remember the page but it's there.

The way I see it is why waste resources going after a bunch of tanks on the ocean since that wasn't his goal why would he do it?

I'm referring to the reason why they though 5000 guardsmen were to many to assault a fortress, at this point that traitor failed in a number of different ways. They were pretty much saying why do you go infiltrate that fortress and do this thing it's not worth our time.
Because it makes strategic sense, is well within Abaddon's capabilities and he's not an idiot?

You dont just let your enemy escape with valuable military assests, not when you can easily prevent it. Ships are slow and can't hide. Abaddon had space ships and atmospheric craft aplenty, sinking a convoy of transport ships would be easy. It wouldn't require a significant expenditure of resources and wouldn't take long. It makes no sense not to stop them.

Abaddon had thousands of Black Legionaries, that alone is a force easily capable of taking a fortress held by a mere regiment. Thousands of Space Marines can topple star systems, eliminate civilisations. One fortress is nothing.

Abaddon destroying the tanks and taking the fortress gives him complete control of the situation. It's a strategically sound move, which wouldn't cost him much. Not doing so, when Dunn gives no valid reasons makes Abaddon look like an idiot and reeks of lazy writing. It's not a good sign if your book cant maintain logical consistency.
@Phoebus thanks for the review. I'm of a like mind that its disappointing to see such dross put out when we know the quality elements of the Black Library stable are capable of. 40k is such a rich tapestry, its one of the deepest settings around, there's so much good writers can do with it.

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Thanks for the assist, Rems!
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I wonder if ADB knows that Dunn once more cemented the Failbaddon-Meme....
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Thank you Phoebus, I will definitely avoid this piece! Unfortunately Dunn haven't proved himself rather positive with his novels, and it also seems all these "Apocalypse"-stuff won't catch on as any good quality if you ram in way too much shit on too little space.
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Originally Posted by Phoebus View Post

when your characters are shallow and never evolve, [/I]
Now, I agree with all your points on this except this one.
Warhammer 40K has characters that have been angry about the same thing for 10,000 years! Shallow and never evolving is a must for those guys!

Joking aside, thanks for posting your thoughts man!
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Originally Posted by DjdaForce View Post
I wonder if ADB knows that Dunn once more cemented the Failbaddon-Meme....
Abbadon achieved everything that HE wanted to achieve on Pandorax.
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There are two parts to the "Failbaddon" meme:

1. The idea - however incorrect - that Abaddon fails a lot.
2. The - largely driven by sarcasm - reaction at the notion that Abaddon "won the objectives that really mattered to him" despite the preceding focus being on battles he lost.

Pandorax falls under the latter. The Black Legion are decisively defeated in void warfare and in a number of large-scale battles and skirmishes alike, but Abaddon shrugs off those loses - and a ridiculously important prize, like a portal capable of pumping out an endless number of daemons - because he got "what he was secretly after to begin with". Except, the entire process by which he got his "real prize" was preceded by an almost comically convoluted scheme that ultimately only serves to ensure his antagonists were present on Pythos, thereby making a novel necessary.

This doesn't make Abaddon look Warmaster-ish, brilliant, or really competent at all. It undermines his character and his stated ability. People need to be careful with how they handle certain parts of the genre. Abaddon is a despicable and eminently unlikeable and unredeemable individual, but his ability should never be questioned. Any defeat he suffers should come via great sacrifice on the part of the victors
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