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post #111 of 170 (permalink) Old 10-24-13, 03:36 AM
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Fighting to the death with weapons is so utterly different from mma, boxing etc that it's not even funny. Mortarion, as has always been said about him and his Legion, is incredibly resilient and can soak up a ridiculous amount of damage and then has a tremendous amount of raw strength to push a light opponent back. The Khan simply started to tire, even though he was inflicting wounds that would kill any other opponent he would have fought, not that Mortarion wasn't tiring as well, both of them admitting this was the most they had ever been tested, the Khan having never felt tired before. I think the Khan might have just won it had Mortarion not needed to retreat to save his fleet in orbit.
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Really want to read now but from the spoilers I find it hard to understand how Khan who is faster than Mortarion ended the duel in a draw. I mean in all mma or boxing..speed kills.
On the other hand, we're not talking about real-life fighting, but a duel between two superhuman beings that exemplify two different ideals. One is a brilliant swordsman that uses speed; the other is the 40k paragon of endurance and perseverance. That is to say, Mortarion's entire theme is taking ridiculous amounts of damage. Furthermore, there's no telling how the fight would have ended had it gone uninterrupted. The only reason why it was a draw was because Mortarion decided to depart.

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Just finished the final chapter now. Really enjoyed it, the duel between the Khan and Mortarion is one of my favourite duels between the Primarchs that I've read so far,
But yes, very good job Mr Wraight, very good job indeed.
It was by far one of my favorite duels. I have a hard time thinking of a better one right now. I think the best thing about it was its cinematic quality. I could literally see that action popping out of the pages in my minds eye, and it flowed so nicely.
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Scars - definitely one of the best 5 HH novels. It's so refreshing and adventurous - that it really helps to still love and stay with the HH after the clusterfucks, which were: Fear to Thread, Vulkan Lives, Mark of Calth and Unremembered empire.

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This duel really was a best dexterity in the Galaxy vs the best enthropy endurance and vitality.
Anyway i really was hoping for the duel Khan vs Alpharius (both of them). Chris, has long time ago was thinking on that, but in the end, he has chosen the duel with Mortarion.
And from 1 point it's good - because it is really very cool. But from the other point it would be much better (in my humble opinion) to see the style of Alpharius, then he has no choice but to fight personally

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I do still find it odd that the Space Wolves were even involved at all.
The continuation of their nebula battle would be shown (sadly) in the Thief of Revelations / Hunter's Moon duo audio. I always prefer a written form.

Anyway it's becoming a tradition for Black Library to show the synopsis for the novel - which would not be the case for it. Both skirmishes with AL were exactly that - skirmishes and nothing more. It's not a big uneven battle at Chondax, as was written in the Visions of Treachery (which i own)

Also seems that all the covers from Neil Roberts - show us the events happening at the last pages of the novel -(Remember Unremembered empire, now this)

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Definitely. Especially moments with 'Silence', swirling sand and dust

The problem of Scars - is the same, which is stalking the HH novels for quite a long time now. Nobody dies... Not at least 1 major player, except for AT, has died in the last 5 books. Big battles are absent. Where are the millions dead??? Big battlefields? Even in the last episode engagement of the Scars not even 1 of the ships died. If this scenario will dominate other HH books in the future, we will be praying for someone to die
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Well Henricos is dead if that helps.
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Well Henricos is dead if that helps.
Yeap, killed by little Horus in the Abnett's 'Little Horus' short. Also we saw Hibou where - so seems he will be pardoned.

Another point - we haven't exactly know the fate of the Hasik (who should be executed in my point of view, but not for his actions, but his desires to incriminate his personal beliefs onto the Legion of freedom), Goglah, Torghun. Where always be division between Terran and Chogoris WS.

In all - it's really seems like a Nexus novel (but much better than Abnett's 'Unremembered empire') - and all answers, plots and big battles will be written Later. Sad
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The problem of Scars - is the same, which is stalking the HH novels for quite a long time now. Nobody dies... Not at least 1 major player, except for AT, has died in the last 5 books. Big battles are absent. Where are the millions dead??? Big battlefields? Even in the last episode engagement of the Scars not even 1 of the ships died. If this scenario will dominate other HH books in the future, we will be praying for someone to die
I don't see how that can be a serious criticism. I would rather a plot focus on intriguing political interplay, character development and interactions rather than shoehorn some bolter porn in just for the sake of it.

I certainly didn't feel there was a lack of action anyway. In fact I thought that the battles against the psychneuein were the only dull parts of the novel.

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Both skirmishes with AL were exactly that - skirmishes and nothing more. It's not a big uneven battle at Chondax, as was written in the Visions of Treachery (which i own)
I've already told you this, but the White Scars didn't fully engage the Alpha Legion in Collected Visions. Only the Space Wolves did, the White Scars reluctantly left the Wolves to their fate and returned to Terra before the Alpha Legion could properly engage them. As far as the previous lore was concerned, the main fighting occurred between the Alpha Legion and Space Wolves (as happened in Scars).



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Fully agree with [BELLARIUS] and his review - http://thefoundingfields.com/2013/10...us/#more-10875
“Lots, of action, pacing and ideas, but very little closure.” – Bellarius, The Founding Fields

Another nexus novel - i'm longing for a self-containing story with complete ending in one book
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Yeap, killed by little Horus in the Abnett's 'Little Horus' short. Also we saw Hibou where - so seems he will be pardoned.
I really liked this little tie in. When I first saw Bion Henricos, it rang a bell and I went searching through Fulgrim and Angel Exterminatus, before finding him in Little Horus(the search function e-readers really shines in times like these!). I knew from then that Henricos and Hibou would both survive, but thought it would just be left open, but then Yesugei suggested the kill teams, along with attaching them to Henricos, to the Khan and it all fell into place. Very clever and good linking from Wraight, another way in which he's impressed me.

I really hope he gets more Heresy novels, in particular the V Legion again, or the Wolves for that matter, though I would prefer Abnett, Wraight definitely has the same feel for them as Abnett did and would still be great for them.

I hope it's Wraight who gets to write about the Khan and his Legion on Terra and the actions they take during the siege.
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He was also a primary character in the Feat of Iron short story in the Primarchs anthology. I really liked him from that, he was a Iron Hand who appreciated the use of humans and it was appreciation of them that lead to their victory over Eldar.
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I REALLY want to read Scars now. The paperback is being released on Amazon in January so it can't be long now, likely Scars will be out in hardback by November.


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