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post #11 of 19 (permalink) Old 07-25-13, 11:59 AM
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Monty nailed it.

It's synonymous with what makes a book good generally, but with the added importance of its format - so care and consideration where continuity lies. This can be further broken down and becomes quite subjective. Some people prefer consistent portrayals of characters, factions or events between authors, while others enjoy fresh perspective.
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I like my characters somewhat flawed... With a good dash of inner turmoil. Nothing is worse than a one dimensional goody goody space marine. Same goes for Primarchs. I guess that's why the chaos sided Primarchs are vastly more interesting.

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I like my characters somewhat flawed... With a good dash of inner turmoil. Nothing is worse than a one dimensional goody goody space marine. Same goes for Primarchs. I guess that's why the chaos sided Primarchs are vastly more interesting.
This is exactly why I find the Grey Knights and Ultramarines somewhat boring in comparison to other chapters.
I agree whole-heartedly though, I do love me so flawed characters. I also love watching the characters evolve into something that you wouldn't see coming with their current personality.(I.E. Kharn being Angron's voice of reason -> Kharn the Betrayer)
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What makes a good HH novel? getting Tracey Hickman and Margaret Weis to write them.
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for me in general is boredom.....i find that sum of the heresy book take 200+PAGES to set up the story to then have the entire story finish in like 20 pages and im left like WTF! now im not meaning bolter porn, im just meaning like others have said characters,some plots can seem irrelevant or fillers. ive read most of the HH and been pretty pleased the only book mechanicum i simply could not read! its was just boring, i found it very hard to get in to, but im the sort of reader where if i by about the 50th page the book hasn't grabbed me well ill stop.
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HH Books seem so long because bad writers concentrate on description rather than dialogue. Character interaction is interesting. Describing the same thing in 10 different ways, isn't.
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Rise, thread! RIIIIIIIIISE!

Good to hear from all of you so far. This really does help clarify why people feel how they feel on the books. Like I said, it's a pretty subjective topic.

Right now I get the feeling that the HH authors are running out of steam, as evidenced by reactions towards more recent books. Like I said, I'm uninitiated when it comes to the HH series, so do you get that feeling too?

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Rise, thread! RIIIIIIIIISE!

Good to hear from all of you so far. This really does help clarify why people feel how they feel on the books. Like I said, it's a pretty subjective topic.

Right now I get the feeling that the HH authors are running out of steam, as evidenced by reactions towards more recent books. Like I said, I'm uninitiated when it comes to the HH series, so do you get that feeling too?
I most definitely don't.
We have Abnett writing his BA and UM stuff, which I am looking forward to.
We have ADB working on some custodes stuff after he finishes his first Black Legion book.
We have Mcneill taking the focus back to Horus soon, which I think is needed in a series called the Horus Heresy.
We have that *FULL COLOUR* graphic novel coming out soon.
We have the Tallarn part of the story coming soon, which I assume will be kinda like Calth where it gets its own couple of books/novella/short stories and such.
and we have CW doing his Scars thing, which is getting a serialized release right now, but will be a full novel later.
Plus there is all the stuff that not many people know about. I am sure that there is other stuff in the HH planned.

We are only half way or so through the series, so I would definitely hope they are not running out of steam!

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I would probably say that a good Horus Heresy novel is one that respects the prior fluff while advancing the fluff in news ways. Unfortunately I'd say few Heresy novels are able to do this, mostly due to the multitude of retcons.

The ''Emperor is an atheist'' one for example. The Emperor advancing an anti-religion policy for the Great Crusade makes very little sense when Lorgar is involved converting people to a religion dedicated to him. It makes Lorgar look like an idiot for not noticing the policy of everybody else around him and it makes the Emperor's inaction for fifty years look strange.

The change at the Council of Nikaea is another. Previously the Emperor did not ban Librarians, only sorcery. Now in the new fluff, he banned all Librarians from the Legions. I'm honestly not sure why the authors chose to do that. It makes the Emperor look rather foolish and paranoid., especially when later characters in the series talk about how much of a disaster Nikaea was.

To look at a more specific book I'd probably say Know No Fear was the biggest disappointment for me. This is probably a heavily contested opinion, but I did not like the multitude of retcons as presented, or the portrayal of the Ultramarines within.

I found the account from Collected Visions to be much superior. Guilliman takes direct command of the fleet much earlier and demonstrates all the military genius he is often talked of having, while the Ultramarines are much better organized in Collected Visions. Perhaps some people may have liked the depiction of the Ultramarines in KNF. I certainly did not.
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