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The eBook won't be released until 12 July (for those who pre-ordered it).

I'll post a synopsis when I read it.
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What gun is the CL using? Too big for a bolt pistol. Waaaaaaay too slim to be a bolter.

...On second thought, maybe the author took some artistic license on the bolter?
I seriously hope that this becomes the typical style of Bolter Weapon. I'm sick of seeing barrels the size of a characters face for a weapon that fires a .75 calibre (that's 19mm or so) shots.

Fun fact, spent a few days firing a 20mm cannon last couple of days. Lets just say that instead of firing AP solid shots, a rocket powered explosive round would be fairly devastating; they have a max range of around 7km when fired at 45 degrees, but when direct fire between 2-3km; but that's as an AoE weapon; on an optimized Rifle-type, consider capabilities in excess of that.

So, yeah, they're pretty decent sniper weapons, if that's what it is.

However, the foregrip doesn't particularly make sense if it is a Sniper Weapon. It's better on a carbine weapon for CQC and a more natural hand position. As a Sniper, for ranged shots, it's better resting on the ground or on the elbow (I believe).



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were also talking about super humans in advanced suits of armor capable of assisting in aiming as well as locking in place/brute strength to prevent recoil. Maybe his forward grip just assists in that?
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If you want to handwaive it away as "it's magic", fair enough. But a handgrip provides no benefit to aiming at all. It's a video game fallacy that a foregrip reduces kick. It provides a more comfortable grip for extended usage.

If he's able to lock his armour to remove sway, then why need the foregrip?



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If you want to handwaive it away as "it's magic", fair enough.
I don't think it's fair to dismiss it as simply "magic". The idea that power armour provides stability while aiming/firing is no more a stretch than highly sensitive auto-senses or a HUD that's wired to your brain and features data that can be dismissed by blinking or even just thinking (depending on the novel).

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But a handgrip provides no benefit to aiming at all. It's a video game fallacy that a foregrip reduces kick. It provides a more comfortable grip for extended usage.
I'm by no means a wizard of a shooter, but I would disagree that a handgrip doesn't help with aiming. I'll grant you that it doesn't matter as a bipod and/or a good resting position when shooting for distance and accuracy, but I would say it's quite helpful when firing standing - whether in semi-, three round burst, or automatic mode. I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of shooters on this side of the pond who don't use hand grips adopt a more aggressive carbine grip with their non-shooting hand positioned almost right behind the front sights: their stated reason for doing so is to pull the carbine in more snugly against their shoulder pocket so as to manage recoil.

Having said that, though...

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If he's able to lock his armour to remove sway, then why need the foregrip?
Exactly. In the case of a Space Marine, I think it's a rather unnecessary bit of artistic license in an otherwise fine illustration.
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I'm by no means a wizard of a shooter, but I would disagree that a handgrip doesn't help with aiming. I'll grant you that it doesn't matter as a bipod and/or a good resting position when shooting for distance and accuracy, but I would say it's quite helpful when firing standing - whether in semi-, three round burst, or automatic mode. I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of shooters on this side of the pond who don't use hand grips adopt a more aggressive carbine grip with their non-shooting hand positioned almost right behind the front sights: their stated reason for doing so is to pull the carbine in more snugly against their shoulder pocket so as to manage recoil.
I only use my foregrip when doing CQB/OBUA, as I just find it easier to maneuver the weapon fast and more accurately at closer ranges with that style of grip, doesn't help the kick at all though. For distance shooting however, never use it, unless I'm shooting from prone, in which case I deploy the funky, yet incredibly gay pop out bi-pod legs.

But again, like Vaz said, and as you agreed, the stabalisation of the power armour would make it redundant anyway.
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You guys might find the artist's thoughts interesting (also the full picture):

Black Library: Armageddon by `ukitakumuki on deviantART

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Angel,

Ditto on the usage of said grip.

Garrack,

Thanks for the link!

EDIT: the same artist did the cover for 'Blood in the Machine'. I think it looks quite nice as well.

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Depending on what you guys say about the novella, I might get this book, just because. Also I really like that artwork.

The one for Blood in the Machine is also awesome (that Imperator look scary - I'd crap my pants having that thing aim a gun my way).

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