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post #11 of 18 (permalink) Old 06-12-13, 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Lord of the Night View Post
Very good attitude. Wish more people had it.

I really enjoyed Angel Exterminatus and suggest the same thing I do with every book that gets a divided reception. Try it for yourself and find out where you stand. Just because I liked it doesn't mean you will, or because Vaz hated it that you will as well.

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post #12 of 18 (permalink) Old 06-12-13, 04:56 AM
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Personally I really enjoyed reading angel ext. I would even go so far as to say that it's one of my favorites from the HH series. Really looking forward to the development of that story line.
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Personally, I hated Angel Exterminatus.

People often claim that one of it's virtues was the portrayal of Perturabo and the development of his character. I actually disliked his portrayal and kept imagining comic book scenes when he was accompanied by shield-bearing robots wherever he went. His portrayal in The Crimson Fist got it spot on for me, just a shame it wasn't continued in the same manner.

McNeill surely has a mountain to climb to redeem himself.

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I loved the book and it is ceretainly in my top 5 HH books, I thought McNeil did a wonderful job.
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post #15 of 18 (permalink) Old 06-13-13, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bobss View Post
I agree.

After the The Reflection Crack'd which I abhorred, I enjoyed the development of Fulgrim's cronies and life breathed into Perty and his Legion in Angel Exterminatus. Y'know, in my own bubble of what's-canon-and-what's-not, TRC doesn't exist, or existed as some trick or game elicited from Fulgrim's daemon. The undertones of Fulgrim regaining control of his body before his coercion of Perty and ultimate apotheosis is that daemons are corny and a daemonically-possessed Fulgrim couldn't function in AE's storyline. Which I don't agree with.

Yes, McNeill's prose is delivered on the end of William Wallace's claymore,
yes, there were more continuity nods to Storm of Iron than I'm comfortable with,
and yes, some of the fluff ramifications were not my cup of tea, such as the Heart of Iron,

but I still loved the exposition Perty received and I still believe McNeill can write Iron Warriors well. I've seen hardcore Iron Warriors fans (well, okay, one) dislike the portrayal but then again I saw hardcore Space Wolves fans dislike Prospero Burns which I would put in my top five.

Betrayer was good people, but I could pick my fair share of nits from it if I wanted. But why inflate minor problems to the stage where I'm effectively shitting on a book?
I was going to write my own reply, but bobss pretty much touched on everything I wanted to say. It's not the best in the series, but it's far, far away from being the worst. I don't think McNeill has any need to redeem himself for this particular book.
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I can't finish any of McNeill's books as of late. Angel E and Outcast D were both terrible. He hasn't written anything good apart from A Thousand Sons.
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I enjoyed it, but too much rammed in characters from his 40k stories. The robots were slightly silly, but I liked the bits with Sharrowkin and the EC.

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Just finished it and thought it was excellent
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