In all the books I read never came I across (except for some references towards nurgle) a neverborn/demon/warp thing who seemed to be born from emotions such joy...
e.g. the khorne demon was born after a lot of people got killed by crusaders I think, e.g. mothers seeing their children killed. I would expect a similar reaction when those mothers see their children for the first time after having given birth, these aspects I never read.
It can be argued (quite convincingly in my opinion) that emotions such as joy come under the remit of Slaanesh.
Well it says the eldar were screwed the moment the first man killed, I felt a very stong bias towards human emotions, not solely humans, but if Khayon says the gods are us, I feel this implies mainly human ?
The gods are us. As they are
every mortal race. We know for a fact that they are not just representative of humans. That isn't to say Khayon was wrong (even though he may not be the most reliable author) though.
If the nids/necrons kill all humans that would mean over 90 % of living things in the 40K galaxy ?
Far from it. If all of humanity slipped into extinction, that would be no more than 1% of the mortal population of the galaxy. Probably less than 1%.
In psychology, there are definitions for positive and negative emotions... but that's one of the most simple classification systems. I only studied it briefly but just check out the wiki on emotion classification for some of the complex (some overly) systems.
And LotN's statement that negative emotions are stronger than positive emotions has some truth to it in neurology. See Negativity Bias.
I've never studied psychology so I may be talking shit here...
But I can understand how emotions can generally produce 'positive' and 'negative' results from a human perspective - in the sense of living in a harmonious society. But objectively, I don't understand how an emotion, in and of itself, can be good or bad.
Originally Posted by Lord of the Night
When the creature it creates in the Warp wants to kill us and steal our souls, would be my answer. And yes they do represent our hopes and dreams, but in a twisted sense. Nurgle is the desire for long life and Tzeentch is hope and Slaanesh is our desire, but all three are twisted to such a degree that they become nightmares instead. The Chaos Gods are the darkest side of our emotions, our hopes and our dreams.
Or are our hopes & dreams realised in pure form, our Id.
I've kind of backed away from trusting the Chaos codex. Undivided has little to no bearing except a medium for the four major Gods. This dismissive part of fluff has me scratching my head. Because if the above is really true, and humanity were wiped out, then how would Chaos stand? As still 4 great Gods?
Originally Posted by Lord of the Night
But what does "much diminished" mean?? I personally think that if humanity were to die, Chaos as it exists now would die with it. Perhaps the potential for it to rise again should another warp-connected race like the Eldar or Humanity emerge, but the current Chaos Gods that are born of our racial psyche would wither into non-existence. Perhaps Slaanesh would survive, but Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch were born from us, and I think they would die with us. And if they died then the state of Chaos would fail and Slaanesh would cease to exist, as no one God can exist on it's own.
"Much diminished" doesn't mean eradicated, we know that for sure. The gods also represent the emotions of other mortal races, not just humanity - your quote about the War in Heaven confirms that (humanity obviously wasn't around then). There is still some inconsistency in the lore concerning when and why the gods gained consciousness - most of the older lore implies they were more a result of humanity's rise, whilst the newer lore tends to cite the devastation of the War in Heaven (60 million years ago) as the primary factor.
The vast majority of mortal races in the galaxy are "warp-connected" and thus affect and contribute to Chaos. Humanity or the Eldar are certainly not unique in that regard. Humanity obviously contributes the most to Chaos as it stands, simply because of their numbers and power, but there will always be psychic species in the galaxy to sustain Chaos.