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Hi there,
I finished the anthology and I'll ask you one question about the short story of Nick Kyme.

We see the Cabal trying to speak and to alert Ferrus Manus about his future etc...
They failed. Ok, but the seer says :
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"There is hope,’ he muttered. ‘In the empire of the Battle-King, he who would install an heir. Even if the Gorgon falls and fails to heed our warning, there is another who will listen, one who was lost."
Without those 4 last words, I could think that this "another" was Alpharius/Omegon (CF Legion by Dan Abnett) but this word, this meaning that there is an other dude who was lost who can hear the Cabal.

But help me! Who is lost? Seriously, is a Primarque of the II or XI Legion?
Well this story blew up my mind

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Guillaume was named the Battle King in the Novella, so it must be someone who is in Ultramar with him (in the Imperium Secundus).






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My guess is Sanguinus, Fear to Tread tells us that he was "lost" for several years because of the Signus incident. Also, for all we know from Betrayer und Fear to Tread, he is trapped in Ultramar now. Lorgars Spell makes sure noone will get out of the 500 worlds, but somehow Sanguinus has to make it to Terra before Horus arrives there.
The cabal might be able to help him make it, and that might also explain why the UM won't join the Blood Angels: Guillaume would never ever trust some bunch of aliens to savely deliver them to the throneworld!

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Nice one dude!
So, the lost is Sanguinius... Sounds good and logic.
Thus, for you, Sanguinius will be helped by the Cabal when he is trapping with Roboute on Ultramar?
I haven't read Angel Exterminatus and Betrayer yet. So thanks for your comment.

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Alpharius was considered lost for a long time, he was the last to be found... so I still think it refers to Alpharius/Omegon
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Don't think they meant Alpharius. The term 'battle-king' undoubtedly refers to Guilliman.

It would be interesting if they in fact did attempt to contact him. Know No Fear depicts him as a very reasonable Primarch and he wasn't as rigid in his thinking as we were led to believe.
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Don't think they meant Alpharius. The term 'battle-king' undoubtedly refers to Guilliman.

It would be interesting if they in fact did attempt to contact him. Know No Fear depicts him as a very reasonable Primarch and he wasn't as rigid in his thinking as we were led to believe.
Rigid thinking, hard headedness goes to Dorn from what I took away from his depiction in the first short story in Shadows of Treachery. Shocker, eh?

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Prior to Know No Fear and based on the 40k descendants of the Ultramarines, I'm sure many of us believed the codex was meant to be followed to the letter and that Guilliman intended this.

Dorn to me is defiant, unyielding but in matters of willpower and is an optimist in humanity's future and the Emperor's vision.

Guilliman is a realist and had no qualms with abandoning the Imperium in favor of his version of it.
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They meant Perturabo, almost certainly... Angel Exterminatus makes some fairly obvious connections...
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So Pet. was referred to as the battle-king and the Eldar Farseers could not predict his reaction to the uprising on Olympus and his alliance with Horus?
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They meant Perturabo, almost certainly... Angel Exterminatus makes some fairly obvious connections...
Yeah thx dude, I'm reading AE!
May be there will be some explications because this question drive me crazy!

So, may be the last is :
- Sanguinius?
- Alpharius?
- Perturabo?

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