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Random question and I didn't want to hijack someone else's HH thread, so at the risk of getting shouted at for adding yet another HH thread to the pile...

Is it necessary to read A Thousand Sons (Graham McNeil) and Prospero Burns (Dan Abnett) in chronological order?

The reason I ask is that I just finished reading Angels Exterminatus, and I'm really hesitant to read something by McNeil right now. He has a tendency of throwing a withering array of adjectives at the reader. Not to say he doesnt do it well or that it Angels Exterminatus was a bad book (it was a great read actually).

Anyway. If I skip right to Prospero Burns, will I miss anything excruciatingly important?

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In a word, yes. They were written together and were meant to be released only a month apart, with ATS coming out first. Due to some pretty serious health issues for Dan Abnett however, this did not go as planned.

ATS covers the fall of Magnus and his legion, while PB goes into great depth about the SWs and their structure, and why it was them that were sent to Prospero when it all fell apart. If you read them back to front you'd miss out on the build up to why they were sent in the first place, because this is set up in ATS. They are two of the best novels in the series though, so whatever way you read them you won't be too disappointed.
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In a word, yes. They were written together and were meant to be released only a month apart, with ATS coming out first. Due to some pretty serious health issues for Dan Abnett however, this did not go as planned.

ATS covers the fall of Magnus and his legion, while PB goes into great depth about the SWs and their structure, and why it was them that were sent to Prospero when it all fell apart. If you read them back to front you'd miss out on the build up to why they were sent in the first place, because this is set up in ATS. They are two of the best novels in the series though, so whatever way you read them you won't be too disappointed.
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Ok, I'll give them both a try! I've heard nothing but good about both books so I'm sure it's worth my $15.

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i remenber someone telling me prospero burns is shit compared to a 1000 sons.


i never read it but now i just think i will.

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i remenber someone telling me prospero burns is shit compared to a 1000 sons.
Thats because people expect it to be bolter porn from page 1 to 448. The book is a lot more about the build up for the attack on Prospero than about the battle for Prospero itself. If you expect a bolter round to be fired at least once every 10 pages you might be let down by it, but if you enjoy reading a sort of mystery book then this is great.

Personally I loved it. Easily in my top 5 of Black Library books.

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Thats because people expect it to be bolter porn from page 1 to 448. The book is a lot more about the build up for the attack on Prospero than about the battle for Prospero itself. If you expect a bolter round to be fired at least once every 10 pages you might be let down by it, but if you enjoy reading a sort of mystery book then this is great.

Personally I loved it. Easily in my top 5 of Black Library books.
Plus, it didn't really cover the battle all that well compared to A Thousand Sons. Its to be expected since its from the point of view from the one person, but can't stop it from getting to people. I think, for me, what constantly turned me away from the book at points was the same description involving the Space Wolves growls. That description being, "Wet leopard growl." It got really annoying. Repetition can be a good thing, but too much repetition, and BAM! Instantly annoying.

It was all right to me. Far, far, far from the worst Horus Heresy book, but certainly not one of the best, IMO. I liked A Thousand Sons better. It encompasses a bigger part of the battle for Prospero. Details their fall. It just makes you feel for the TSons. Prospero Burns doesn't give you that. It just lets you see that the Space Wolves butcher everything in their path with no remorse and no pity whatsoever. All because Russ was a fool.

Sad to think if Russ had not let himself be influenced, that battle could've been avoided.

I'd only read it for the point of view from the other side, as small as that point of view may be.

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I honestly didn't really notice the 'wet-leopard growl' until pointed out on here. Even now it still doesn't bother me, really can't see why people get so worked up over it tbh.

In regards to it not covering the battle as well as ATS, why would it need to? What would be the benefit of seeing the exact same battle in from the other side. Do we need to see Istvaan V from all of the other perspectives? No, not at all, we would gain very little from it. The Burning of Prospero was captured perfectly in ATS and simply doesn't need any more. I always wonder, were people actually hoping for an entire novel dedicated to one battle? Because that wouldn't have dragged at all.....

ATS shows Prospero being destroyed. Prospero Burns shows why it was destroyed and all the events and manipulations that led to it's destruction. It wasn't even close to a let down for me, was exactly what was needed imo.

As Doelago says, I wouldn't listen to the criticism you hear, bolter porn it is not. Good literature, that it is.
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In regards to it not covering the battle as well as ATS, why would it need to?
Oh, I don't know, because of the title? It's called Prospero Burns, but it only burned for the last 10 pages.

While it is one of the best HH novels IMO, I was disappointed by the misleading title. As covered in many, many threads, most people did not get what they expected or what was advertised in all the hype leading up to the release of the two books. That's not to say that it turned out to be a bad thing though.
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The entire book is about the Burning of Prospero though, just why it happened and not how. Again, I'm still baffled as to how people thought an entire books could be spent on one battle, a battle that had already been almost entirely covered in ATS.
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