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Absolutely awesome, so much depth to both legions, finally the answer to where Angron comes from, could barely put it down. I really hope ADB takes his hand to a loyalist legion, he's done so much for the traitors that has been awesome I wish he'd do the same for one of the least known loyalist legions.
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more spoilers please sir :D

if i dont see the world the same as you how come you expect me to see a whole galaxy spanning empire the same as you do then?!
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I liked the book very much. But I have some thoughts...
The Ultramarines is my favorite chapter. I love the way the HH-series has described RG but for one thing. Isn't RG a master strategist? BftA the Ultras doesn't show much strength in that area, KnF is purely luck that the Ultras manages to turn the game around. And in Betrayer... I miss some kind of sign how RG thinks in the end. If he plans the attack, well, it's not that impressive... the World Eaters kicks their arse in strategy. When will we experience RG genius in the HH series!?

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I think RG's counter attack was kind of ad-hoc - put together with whatever forces he find after Calth. Plus, it was the UM's vs 2 legions, not just the World Eaters.

What I loved most about the book was how ADM provided the background on the World Eaters through recollections/memories/flashbacks of several characters. It was a great way to get to know the history of the World Eaters legion and would love to see this method used more on other legions.

Here are a few questions I have from the book: Why didn't the Emperor help Angron and the slaves? Why did he just grab him and leave the rest behind? Really a dick move.

Why no cries of "The crimson path before the iron fetter!!" ?? Best battle cry ever.
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Betrayer is one of the best in the series yet. I have to say, apart from Fear to Thread the recent additions to the series have been top notch. I read it back to back with Angel Exterminatus, and was blown away by both.

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The way he rallied his forces after the initial assault at Calth was nothing if not impressive.
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Indeed, in KnF he shows incredible insight and ability. In Betrayer, I got the feeling that his emotions and desire to catch up with Lorgar and kill him, got the better of him for once, his wrath overriding his more logical side.
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I think you may also have to concede that it was a "contrived climax." The plot required a final climatic battle, so RG had to show up, fight and escape.
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Yes, all those moments by RG wasn't bad. But I feel that they weren't moments where you think "This is why all his brothers and the Empire sees him as the master strategist".

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The way Kor Phaeron easily incapacitated Guilliman and had him at his mercy (probably would've finished him had he not given his James Bond villain speech)...that made Guilliman look pretty bad

Kor-Phaeron is at most a very powerful sorcerer (notice I say sorcerer, not psyker)
I know Luther beat the Lion, but the Lion held back IIRC. Guilliman went down a bit too quickly IMO
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