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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 04-17-13, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MontytheMighty View Post
The way Kor Phaeron easily incapacitated Guilliman and had him at his mercy (probably would've finished him had he not given his James Bond villain speech)...that made Guilliman look pretty bad

Kor-Phaeron is at most a very powerful sorcerer (notice I say sorcerer, not psyker)
I know Luther beat the Lion, but the Lion held back IIRC. Guilliman went down a bit too quickly IMO
Try not to forget that Guilliman had just been floating about and fighting in the void without a helmet on for quite some time, after an explosive decompression as well. Even a Primarchs physiology is going to take a hell of a beating from that, and as we read in Betrayer, It seems to have left permanent damage to his blood vessels in his face 'The Mark of Calth' as he calls it.

Couple this with Kor Phaeron having been serving the Dark Gods for a very very long period of time, therefore making his knowledge in sorcery very high and I can quite easily see how him taking Guilliman down is plausible. I imagine most of the Primarchs would be pretty weak as well, perhaps Mortarion with his legendary resistance being alright(ish).

For all that, Guilliman still had the strength to punch out KP's heart.
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Well, im still waiting for an author who really describes Gulliman the way Angron, Lorgar, Corax, Horus, Fulgrim, Petruabo, Alpharius, the Lion and Nighthaunter has been. A HH book that focuses on the Ultramarines and foremost Guilliman. Don't let me down Black Library.

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I liked Betrayer, but I felt lorgar and angron were made way to powerful. I dont believe Primarchs should be toppling titans and such with single blows. Just seems way OTT.

I loved angrons take on the emperor. That's been my take on the emperor as well. 100% spot on and was really good to hear. At least one primarch wasn't a complete idiot and could see the emperor for the douchebag he is.
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Finished the book today and enjoyed it greatly.

The most chilling part of the book for me doesn't involve Argel Tal, Erebus or Cyrene. It was the rare glimpses of co-existence between Angron and Lotara, and how, by the end, she was trapped on a ship with a true monster.
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Possible spoilers.

I liked how throughout the novel, Angron kept saying he wasn't a lord. And then at the end he tells Kharn to build him a throne.

Finished: Too Much Love Will Kill You (working title), an original fiction novel. Working on: Second draft of Too Much Love, and the first draft of A Winter's Tale (working title).
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The skull throne?
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Originally Posted by Angel of Blood View Post
For all that, Guilliman still had the strength to punch out KP's heart.
Right, but only because KP decided to deliver a speech instead of the deathblow

Had KP been less reckless, Bobby would've bit the dust
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