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Default Which BL authors do you think are really hit or miss?

My picks...

Graham McNeill and Nick Kyme.

I have issues with Graham's style. His writing, especially his descriptions, can be extremely vague and verbose. I've noticed that he doesn't often use imagery appealing to the senses, rather he slathers on a bunch of vague, abstract adjectives, which don't allow me to visualise a vivid image of what he's describing. Just my opinion...

As for Nick, I read some of his stuff and I honestly think to myself, sh1t...I write better prose than this guy. Promethean Sun and most of his other stuff is incredibly bland. Promethean Sun is also really juvenile...it reads like space marines vs. Jurassic Park/Dino-Riders.

However, I really enjoyed A Thousand Sons and to a lesser extent, Fall of Damnos, which I found to be solidly entertaining. Comparing Fall of Damnos to Promethean Sun, I find it hard to believe that the same guy wrote them. I'm sure Nick wrote both, but he must've been inspired by the muse or something when he wrote Fall of Damnos. Graham is on average better, but I've found that A Thousand Sons is by far the high point of his work.
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William King's Gotrek and Felix novels where great but when Nathan Long took over i found he didnt quite hit the mark for me. still a great author in my book but i thought the standard W.K. had set wasnt quite reached.
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All of them with the exception of ADB. I've enjoyed every single one of his books, the man can write 40k (Hell the man can write, full stop).

Even Abnett, the lauded golden boy of Black Library i find to be hit or miss. Know No Fear and the Eisenhorn series were great, filled with little sci-fi touches which made the setting feel like it was in the future. Conceptually they're what 40k should be. The Gaunts Ghosts series however i just can't get into. I find it predictable and cliche, with characters that verge on 'Mary Sues'.

James Swallow takes my 'hit and miss' award though. His Blood Angels series was pretty atrocious, but then he pulls out Flight of the Eisenstien. Then it's back to poor form with Nemesis. The man's a pendulum.

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Graham McNeill (Loved A Thousand Sons, hated Courage and Honour), Nick Kyme (Loved the Salamanders Trilogy, didn't like Perfection anywhere near as much) and Gav Thorpe (Loved Deliverance Lost and his last two Eldar novels, but hated The Purging of Kadillius)
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I agree. All of them except ADB yet. To be honest he is more of a realistic type writer. It was his realism that kind of turned me off. But I actually like it a lot better after the ruination of many novels.

Two big misses for me are Gav Thorpe's Raven's Flight and Graham McNeill's Angel Exterminatus.

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William King (Love Angel of Fire, Hate Sword of Caledor), Dan Abnett (Know No Fear and Pariah are amazing, Gaunt's Ghosts bores the hell out of me), and Nick Kyme (Love the Salamanders series including Nocturne, but I dislike his Dwarf work, but that is probably because I dislike Dwarfs in general.)

Only two authors are consistently awesome and get more awesome with each release. ADB and C.L Werner.


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In terms of being hit or miss with the readers, I am quite enamored with what Matt Farrer and Rob Sanders turn out, but many seem to get a "miss" for those authors.

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I agree with monty I thought the salamanders series was only becoming worse as the series expanded, crap the last book could have been written by Swallow,
I also think ADB has his better and worse moments, to be honest I think his book from a loyalist space marine perspective were not that great (Hellsreach was still way above par in the SMB series), the emperor's gift was not that great but hey Matt did not give him a present with the super excellent GK codex. To be honest I do not think he is a loyalist kinda guy all his portraits of loyalist are as naive cunts (which they probably are) it seems he has it for the dramatic though tormented guy (who he kills off in the end Talos, Sevatar) with a lot of funny comments.
For me prince of crows was his worst yet, still better than average but I had the feeling I was watching an american movie (piggybacking a space flyer wtf ??).
I do appreciate the work of Sanders except atlas infernal.
Sarah wrote a good book with the gildar rift,
graham missed with the outcast dead
Chris scored with battle of the fang, wrath of iron was less good
and Andy smillie is also promising
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Graham McNeils work reminds me a bit of an african diamond mine worker having a shit. A lot of it is brown dribbly smelly stuff you rather don't want to go rooting around in, but you know you "must" so as not to miss out anything, but once a while, you do come across a gem. And then having been caught, he produces his brown dribbly smelly stuff.

Darius Hinks is another. His Sigvald was pretty unreadable, his characters and plots are convoluted and twisting, when they a) shouldn't be and b) aren't written that well. His Orion was one of the worst books in Fantasy so far; about the quality of the Knights of the White Wolf novel. I haven't read his Empire books, and I don't want to - this isn't 40k where I fear I am missing out on storylines (I REALLY didn't want to get Angel Exterminatus especially after athe Outcast Dead, but due to the title, I feel I am "forced" to).

Nick Kyme; Salamanders, and now Dwarfs. He has ruined both. I picked up his Great Betrayal, and the two he standalones he did in the dwarf "trilogy"; they wrre terrible; Gav Thorpe's scaling can be a bit off kilter, but I have got less than 50 pages in, and I am reading about 20000 Dragons in a single battle, and then got to the Dwarfs finding Skaven 200 years before they were even made, let alone discovered by the Dwarfs. The guy should't be given a pad and pen lest he actually starts writing anything down. Let us not get started on Salamanders; we'll be here all day talking about Firey Fire Marines of Firey Doom; so much so that the wolfy Space Wolves of wolfiness with wolfy mcwolfywolfington seem appropriately and tastefully named.

Winners? ADB (Prince of Crows, TFH), Abnett (Double Eagle, Know No Fear, Legion, Guns of Tanith, although the later novels are tired and running out of ideas now that Bernard Cornwell has stopped writing Sharpe), CL Werner (Wulfrik, The Red Duke), Mike Lee (Nagash, although I will overlook his failure to properly mutilate the Druchii), Gav Thorpe (Odd as it is, I do enjoy his Books; Angels of Darkness, The Lion, excluding senseless death of Nemiel, Caledor and Deliverance Lost. I am a bit disappointed he never makes a "revelation" storyline, like Legion, or breaks the mould in anyway, like Prince of Crows. It is still so much better than someone who writes generic scifi and slaps a HH label on to get it sold), and the guy who made Florin D'Artaud, sadly I cannot remember his name for the life of me. Oh, and Gordon Rennie (Gothic War, Zavant, hell yeah), and Brian... Craig? (Orfeo, the guy who did Plague Daemon). For the oldies still out there.



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My picks...

Graham McNeill and Nick Kyme.

I have issues with Graham's style. His writing, especially his descriptions, can be extremely vague and verbose. I've noticed that he doesn't often use imagery appealing to the senses, rather he slathers on a bunch of vague, abstract adjectives, which don't allow me to visualise a vivid image of what he's describing. Just my opinion...

As for Nick, I read some of his stuff and I honestly think to myself, sh1t...I write better prose than this guy. Promethean Sun and most of his other stuff is incredibly bland. Promethean Sun is also really juvenile...it reads like space marines vs. Jurassic Park/Dino-Riders.
Totally agree on both of these. I dont even have nothing to add
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