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post #61 of 66 (permalink) Old 08-28-12, 06:50 PM
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No book is universally loved or hated. The First Heretic is loved by many including me, but i've seen opinions that say its crap and that Anthony Reynold's Word Bearers are far superior.

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Fear to Tread is the same, its received a mixed response ranging from those who love it like me, those who are mixed about it like Phoebus or those who outright dislike it like you Baltar.
Not... exactly. In fairness, The First Heretic and A Thousand Sons join Horus Rising as the least-criticised and best-reviewed books in the series. Yeah, they get their detractors (as everything does), but calling them the same as, say, Fear to Tread isn't really a fair comparison. You're unlikely to see a thread deadlocked over those three novels, for whatever reason, the way you're seeing it happen here.

None of this has anything to do with my perception of FtT, by the way. It's just not as objective and clear cut as you were saying, LotN.
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Alaric? As in Ben Counters? Urgh.
To be fair to the guy, this quote by Alaric redeems everything Ben Counter has ever messed up

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We do not know what our chances of survival are, so we fight as if they were zero. We do not know what we are facing, so we fight as if it was the dark gods themselves. No one will remember us now and we may never be buried beneath Titan, so we will build our own memorial here. The Chapter might lose us and the Imperium might never know we existed, but the Enemy - the Enemy will know. The Enemy will remember. We will hurt it so badly that it will never forget us until the stars burn out and the Emperor vanquishes it at the end of time. When Chaos is dying, its last thought will be of us. That is our memorial -carved into the heart of Chaos. We cannot lose, Grey Knights. We have already won.
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Not... exactly. In fairness, The First Heretic and A Thousand Sons join Horus Rising as the least-criticised and best-reviewed books in the series. Yeah, they get their detractors (as everything does), but calling them the same as, say, Fear to Tread isn't really a fair comparison. You're unlikely to see a thread deadlocked over those three novels, for whatever reason, the way you're seeing it happen here.

None of this has anything to do with my perception of FtT, by the way. It's just not as objective and clear cut as you were saying, LotN.
Didn't mean it like that. Meant it more that no book, no matter how loved, is 100% adored and with no criticisms at all. Was just using them as HH comparisons since they are indeed the most loved, there are those who don't love them. I wasn't comparing TFH and ATS to FtT in those regards.

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To be fair to the guy, this quote by Alaric redeems everything Ben Counter has ever messed up.

"We do not know what our chances of survival are, so we fight as if they were zero. We do not know what we are facing, so we fight as if it was the dark gods themselves. No one will remember us now and we may never be buried beneath Titan, so we will build our own memorial here. The Chapter might lose us and the Imperium might never know we existed, but the Enemy - the Enemy will know. The Enemy will remember. We will hurt it so badly that it will never forget us until the stars burn out and the Emperor vanquishes it at the end of time. When Chaos is dying, its last thought will be of us. That is our memorial -carved into the heart of Chaos. We cannot lose, Grey Knights. We have already won."
One of 40k's absolute finest quotes. Don't forget,

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I am the sword in His hand,
I am the point of His spear,
I am the gauntlet about His fist,
I am the bane of His foes,
and I am the woes of the treacherous,
I am the end."
Tancred will always be remembered for that quote alone.


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I might have missed it as well; but In I think A Thousand Sons, when Ahriman goes to Nikaea, and sees Raldoron, he sees IIRC, a vision of a spider or something (been a time since I've read it). At the time, I thought that was an allusion to Raldoron being a traitor and becoming the Red Angel, but is there anything to actually add to that vision of Ahriman, or have I remembered incorrectly? Is it a plot point to be developed, or has it been forgotten?

That was directed at Captain Thoros who was with Raldoron, and was foreseeing his death on Murder, in Horus Rising, they find an eye lens from a helmet and Raldoron reads out the serial number on it which Sanguinius recognises as Thoros.
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[spoiler] I'm willing to bet now that Flesh Tearers ( in 40k ) Death Company would whoop the ass of Space Wolf 13th company, Wulfen included, any day of the week
You should of added IMO, Last time I checked they were 3 times red knives squad number. Minus Wulfen. Big call mate ;0)
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