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post #21 of 31 (permalink) Old 08-08-12, 09:12 AM
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I'm just going to do the Heresy series, just for the craic.

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The First Heretic, Horus Rising, Legion, Savage Weapons, After Desh'ea.
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A Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns, Know No Fear, Aurelian, Liar's Due, The Last Remembrancer, The Last Church.
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False Gods, Fulgrim, Mechanicum, Butcher's Nails, Raven's Flight, The Lion, The Reflection Crack'd, The Serpent Beneath, Crimson Fist, Rules of Engagement, Rebirth, Little Horus, The Iron Within, Fallen Angels, Flight of the Eisenstein, Blood Games, Dark King, The Lightning Tower.
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Death of a Silversmith, Nemesis, The Outcast Dead, Deliverance Lost, Kryptos, Army of One, Forgotten Sons, The Face of Treachery, Galaxy in Flames, Wolf at the Door, Scions of the Storm, The Voice, Call of the Lion, Garro: Oath of Moment.
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Battle for the Abyss, Promethean Sun, Feat of Iron, Descent of Angels, Garro: Legion of One.



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Novels:

4:
Helsreach
Legion of the Damned
The Emperor's Gift
Void Stalker
Blood Reaver
Soul Hunter
Lord of the Night
Storm of Iron

HH - Thousand Sons
HH - Prospero Burns
HH - The First Heretic
HH - Mechanicum
HH - Legion
HH - Know No Fear

3:
Angel of Fire
Fall of Damnos
Battle of the Fang
Cadian Blood
The Ciaphas Cain series (average per series)
The Gaunt's Ghost Series (average per series)
The Word Bearers Omnibus
Space Marine
Fear the Alien
Dead Sky, Black Sun

HH - Fulgrim
HH - Horus Rising
HH - False Gods
HH - Outcast Dead
HH - Nemesis
HH - Age of Darkness
HH - Tales of Heresy

2:
Rynn's World
Hunt for Voldorius
Fifteen Hours
Space Wolves - Second Omnibus
The Ultramarines series (with the notable exception of Dead Sky, above)

HH - Descent of Angels
HH - Fallen Angels

1:
Dawn of War Omnibus
Blood Angels series

HH - Battle for the Abyss

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I've done it for the Eighteen HH novels


5 Legion, Fear to Tread, The First Heretic, Know No Fear, Horus Rising, A Thousand Sons

4 Mechanicum, Fulgrim, The Flight of the Eisenstein

3 Nemesis, False Gods

2 Galaxy in Flames, Prospero Burns, Deliverance Lost, Battle for the Abyss

1 Fallen Angels, Decent of Angels, The Outcast Dead
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I'm just going to do the Heresy series, just for the craic.
Out of interest why the dislike of Legion of One and Death of a Silversmith? Have to agree that both Feat of Iron and Promethean Son were dreadful.
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I am not a fan of the Garro audio-books or James Swallow in general, for several reasons. But the return of Loken was something that I firmly opposed therefore I automatically disliked the plot.

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I gave it a 2, so I am not suggesting it was terrible. But it didn't stand out as deserving anything more than that. Would you disagree?



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I am not a fan of the Garro audio-books or James Swallow in general, for several reasons. But the return of Loken was something that I firmly opposed therefore I automatically disliked the plot.



I gave it a 2, so I am not suggesting it was terrible. But it didn't stand out as deserving anything more than that. Would you disagree?
I'm not a fan of the Audios myself and only listen to the Heresy ones to keep up with events. I personally found Oath of Moment to be the worst only because I found it boring. I quite liked Legion of One but then I was very much looking forward to the return of Loken! As for Swallow I'm assuming that you've not read Fear to Tread yet. I'm sure he's going to win over a lot of detractors with that. I thought it was excellent. I've never read his Blood Angel series (and won't), he seems to get a lot of criticism for that.

As for Death of a Silversmith, well its by no means a literary masterpiece but I really enjoyed it because of the way it adds to the character of Hastur Sejanus, whose death it seems was a seminal event in the heresy (or I interpret to be).
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To compile all the votes up to post 23 in a ranked list (of novels with at least 4 votes; votes for an omnibus mostly counted as a vote for the first book therein; 5s counted as 4s; tiebreaker is most votes above 2.50 and least votes below):

BELOVED (over 3.5)

1. A Thousand Sons
2. Soul Hunter
3. (tie) Horus Rising
3. (tie) The First Heretic
3. (tie) Know No Fear
6. (tie) For the Emperor
6. (tie) Battle of the Fang
8. Legion

RECOMMENDED (over 3 to 3.5)

9. (tie) Mechanicum
9. (tie) Prospero Burns
9. (tie) The Emperor’s Gift
12. Flight of the Eisenstein
13. Fulgrim
14. Helsreach
15. False Gods

MEDIUM (2 to 3)

16. Fall of Damnos
17. Deliverance Lost
18. The Outcast Dead
19. Descent of Angels
20. Fallen Angels

REVILED (under 2)

21. Battle for the Abyss

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Don't get me wrong. Rating novels and sharing opinions is perfectly fair and legitimate. When it comes to meeting the expectation of the OP, though - which was to have a way for an unfamiliar reader to know which book is "good" or "bad" - it's gonna be very difficult to arrive at anything resembling a consensus where most titles are concerned.

Lord of the Night, for instance, gave the "Gaunts Ghosts" series (comprised of 14 novels) a blanket "2" - the same grade that he gave "The Purging of Kadillus". If you were to ask me, though, "Gaunt's Ghosts" is one third of 40k's defining tripod of fiction (the other two being the Horus Heresy and the Eisenhorn trilogy). By contrast, I think that "The Purging of Kadillus" is lackluster without being bad, and a poor depiction of the two factions involved without necessarily being malicious or irresponsible about it.

"Prospero Burns", to mention another example, is a very polarizing novel. On this forum along, I've seen posters praise it as great fiction and denounce it as false advertising and a poor re-imagining of the Space Wolves in more or less equal numbers.

Honestly, I think a better solution might be for the Mods to open up a single thread with links to secondary threads - each devoted to a Black Library novel. Each novel's thread would have a poll whose choices corresponded to a "grade" (1 to 4, 1 to 5, 1 to 10, or whatever). Posters could thus assign that specific novel a grade and then offer their opinion. A curious would-be reader would be able to quickly get an "average" grade from the poll, and could scroll down to get stated opinions. The forum itself would only need a single stickied thread, which you would update with new links for new novels.

Thoughts? I realize that posters such as Lord of the Night and Bane of Kings - both of whom devote a lot of time to providing the fora with reviews - might be more qualified to speak on this.

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Well, that was more or less my idea- I'd compile an overall ranking near the last page of the thread (as in post 27) and anyone interested could read through the vast quantity of discussion available, or open a new thread.

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Update:
Know No Fear- 4
Bloodline (James Swallow)- 3

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