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I think it would be a neat ending if Loken gets the chance to confront this particular daemon. The horror and shock value just reeks of poetic sadness. Especially if this happens on Terra itself.


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even if it is his gene seed that wouldn't make the demon him. It has some DNA in it but there is more to a person than his/her cells.

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Indeed, but the gods are immeasurably powerful. It wouldn't be the first time they brought back an astartes who was already dead or as a deamon like entity.
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Bit of thread necromancy here! But same thing as making a new thread really.

So, further to all that I pointed out in my opening post, with another novel and a short, more evidence has come to light that I was right about Tariks geneseed being used and him soul being corrupted/used in some way. The first new bit of info came from Betrayer when Argel Tal and Erebus are having a conversation and Argel Tal says:

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‘Torgaddon,’ Argel Tal replied. ‘You used his flesh in that ritual. You summoned a dead man’s soul.’
Erebus nodded. ‘Kor Phaeron first learned of the rite, through his own prayers. We–’
‘It doesn’t matter how.’ Argel Tal’s eye lenses burned with inner light. ‘You brought him back.’
The Chaplain nodded, seeming to know, in his limitless patience, just where this was going.
‘I did.’
So theres the confirmation that it was definitely Tariks geneseed that he used, and more suggestion that he brought back his soul using the rituals to bind him or transform his soul into a daemon somehow. Then I also stumbled across this on Lexicanum, I don't own the latest BL anthology from the weekender, but this is what Lex has down for the short story Luna Mendex:



Once again, poor, poor Tarik. And going back to the daemon ship Tormageddon Monstrum Rex, it doesn't look as if Loken will succeed in saving Tariks soul either.
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Bit of thread necromancy here! But same thing as making a new thread really.

So, further to all that I pointed out in my opening post, with another novel and a short, more evidence has come to light that I was right about Tariks geneseed being used and him soul being corrupted/used in some way. The first new bit of info came from Betrayer when Argel Tal and Erebus are having a conversation and Argel Tal says:



So theres the confirmation that it was definitely Tariks geneseed that he used, and more suggestion that he brought back his soul using the rituals to bind him or transform his soul into a daemon somehow. Then I also stumbled across this on Lexicanum, I don't own the latest BL anthology from the weekender, but this is what Lex has down for the short story Luna Mendex:



Once again, poor, poor Tarik. And going back to the daemon ship Tormageddon Monstrum Rex, it doesn't look as if Loken will succeed in saving Tariks soul either.
I can't see how his fate is bad, according to that conversation he's still the man he was.
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I never picked up on that in Salvation's Reach. That's an evil way to write his ending Abnett! Really awesome at the same time. I can't remember, does the Rex get destroyed in that? It doesn't does it? It's left remembering knowing where the Ghosts have gone and on their tail?
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even if it is his gene seed that wouldn't make the demon him. It has some DNA in it but there is more to a person than his/her cells.

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Exactly my thoughts! Poor poor Tarik - he didn't deserve such a fate! Or maybe tarik long dead - after all its a demon from a geneseed sample - not his soul!
Here's the thing, though. The Black Library writers have hinted more than once at gene-seed being more than just an organ. At its subtlest, it is implied to be a vehicle through which personality traits of the Primarch are passed down. At its most overt, the short story 'Honour Among Fiends' describes the eyes of an Imperial Fists captain narrow in feint recognition as he is confronted by a Black Legionnaire who has been killing the Space Marines who have carried the same gene-seed as him since the Heresy itself.

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Wasnt Erebus hangung about at the time of Istvan III? (I dont really recall but the guy seems to get everywhere)
It wouldn't even need to be Erebus, would it? Little Horus could have dragged Tarik's corpse out of the rubble after Loken got buried.
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So theres the confirmation that it was definitely Tariks geneseed that he used, and more suggestion that he brought back his soul using the rituals to bind him or transform his soul into a daemon somehow. Then I also stumbled across this on Lexicanum, I don't own the latest BL anthology from the weekender, but this is what Lex has down for the short story Luna Mendex:



Once again, poor, poor Tarik. And going back to the daemon ship Tormageddon Monstrum Rex, it doesn't look as if Loken will succeed in saving Tariks soul either.
Where is this short available? Typical BL with the LE-crap! >.<

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It wouldn't even need to be Erebus, would it? Little Horus could have dragged Tarik's corpse out of the rubble after Loken got buried.
One problem is that Tariks body was in Lokens possession in "Legion of One". One explanation could be that Loken found the body after the desecration perhpa.s
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