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Good review. It was an excellent read and exceeded all my expectations. I'm actually worried about starting the Word Bearers trilogy as I know it's going to be a letdown after this kickbutt trilogy from ADB. I need more Chaos PoV books!! I was so desperate I actually read Sigvald (Warhammer fantasy chaos PoV)... man that was a waste of money.

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's the best SF book I've read. But it's in the top 3 of the BL books I've read.

Decimus - No spoilers. I'm just going to say I'm sad as I'm fearing we won't get to read about his exploits... He pretty much appears in the timeline up to the newest fluff... so I guess we won't see him fulfill his eldar prophecy? Unless I'm mistaken and it's been mentioned in some fluff.
If you want a good fantasy chaos pov book, go for Wulfrik. I found it a terrific read compared to the demented Sigvald.

Imo the Word Bearers trillogy was a quite good read, definitely not bad. Having a lot of epic scenes.
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Decimus - No spoilers. I'm just going to say I'm sad as I'm fearing we won't get to read about his exploits... He pretty much appears in the timeline up to the newest fluff... so I guess we won't see him fulfill his eldar prophecy? Unless I'm mistaken and it's been mentioned in some fluff.
I don't think he'll be able to fulfill that prophecy, since from what I can remember about the 13th black crusade Ulthwe did pretty well.
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If you want a good fantasy chaos pov book, go for Wulfrik. I found it a terrific read compared to the demented Sigvald.

Imo the Word Bearers trillogy was a quite good read, definitely not bad. Having a lot of epic scenes.
Just plain no. The WB trilogy is plain bad. This is partially a fault of the author and partially a fault of the editors. Descent of Angels is infamous for the terrible editing, the WB books are just as bad if not worse. In parts of the second and third books there are sentences that do not make sense; there are sentences that are repeated... (and not for effect, just plain repeated); In the third book the author / editors get the names of characters confused and as a result you have Word Bearers teleporting frantically around Consul space ships, changing their armor between PA & TA, and generally switching their roles in the warhost (must be very confusing for Kol Badar, the coryphaus & leader of the warhost to find himself fighting his way to the bridge in his TDA one second, and a page later find himself struggling against consuls near the engines while wearing PA and carrying the legion's standard...)

Also, the WB books showcase the "evil for evil's sake" bad guys that are too stereotypical. ADB's nightlords novels are fantastic because none of the "bad guys" are evil just for the sake of being evil, they truly believe that what they do is correct. In the WB books the legionares are cruel for the sake of being cruel, malicious for the sake of being malicious.... The greatest villians aren't villians because they make a conscious choice to do evil, they're bad because they firmly believe that what they are doing is right & correct. Hitler didn't kill 8 million because he wanted to be bad-ass.... he firmly believed that what he was doing was the BEST path forward for humanity... He probably didn't walk around Berlin spouting about how he was evil incarnate...
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Void Stalker is excellent. One of the best books I've ever read and maybe ADB's best. The standard at which he writes is exceptional. I've read all his published work now and have loved all of it. As I read his work I can see that a huge amount of effort and care has gone in to it. Every page is full of entertainment, detail and wonderful characters. There are no off books from ADB, no going through the motions, no half baked ideas, no nonsensical parts, no one dimensional characters, no mindless fighting for no reason, etc. Afflictions which unfortunately seem to effect other authors from time to time. This book, as with all Aaron's work is first class and I highly recommend it to others. As long as Aaron writes books I will buy them. Period.
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Just plain no. The WB trilogy is plain bad. This is partially a fault of the author and partially a fault of the editors. Descent of Angels is infamous for the terrible editing, the WB books are just as bad if not worse. In parts of the second and third books there are sentences that do not make sense; there are sentences that are repeated... (and not for effect, just plain repeated); In the third book the author / editors get the names of characters confused and as a result you have Word Bearers teleporting frantically around Consul space ships, changing their armor between PA & TA, and generally switching their roles in the warhost (must be very confusing for Kol Badar, the coryphaus & leader of the warhost to find himself fighting his way to the bridge in his TDA one second, and a page later find himself struggling against consuls near the engines while wearing PA and carrying the legion's standard...)

Also, the WB books showcase the "evil for evil's sake" bad guys that are too stereotypical. ADB's nightlords novels are fantastic because none of the "bad guys" are evil just for the sake of being evil, they truly believe that what they do is correct. In the WB books the legionares are cruel for the sake of being cruel, malicious for the sake of being malicious.... The greatest villians aren't villians because they make a conscious choice to do evil, they're bad because they firmly believe that what they are doing is right & correct. Hitler didn't kill 8 million because he wanted to be bad-ass.... he firmly believed that what he was doing was the BEST path forward for humanity... He probably didn't walk around Berlin spouting about how he was evil incarnate...
Dang, this is a brutal review of the WB trilogy. I'm probably going to pass on it then. Any other Chaos POV books? Besides the Night Lord series, the WB series... I don't know of any others. I know there's an upcoming space marine battles book based on the IW. Anything else besides these ones?
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Blood Gorgons is decent, nothing spectacular. And if you haven't read Storm of Iron, do, it has some great Chaos characters and it well worth a read.
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storm of iron & the iron warriors books are ok. They do suffer a bit from the "evil for evil's sake" problem, but at least the editing isn't terrible.

If you want chaos books I would recommend (in no particular order):

ADB's night lords series
Storm of Iron *and subsequent stories
Lord of the Night
Blood Gorgons is pretty good

from the HH series:
Flight of the Eisenstien
Legion (kinda... not really chaos-y)
First Heretic


In general, when looking at Black Library you can bet that anything by ADB & Dan Abnett will be a godo read. Full of CHARACTER, exciting battles, and just solid story construction. Up until recently DA was my favourite author due to the Gaunt's Ghosts series, but I would put ADB up above him - I find DA stories seem to wrap up nice & clean & frequently with a bit of Deus ex Machina (which is ok sometimse... but not all the time...). that being said, both authors are top quality (though I have a friend who just full-stop hates anything by black library... same friend recommended hunger games to me so there's no accounting for taste I guess...)

Black library has many good authors, many poor authors and the two I mentioned above are fantastic. I typically don't read anything by any other BL author, I've been disapointed too many times. I describe my love affair with BL books as "battered wife syndrome" - with each new book release I promise myself that "it can't be as bad as it was last time! Surely they know how they hurt me & are going to be better now!" But it is so rarely the case. NOTE this is especially true with the WB novel series...

Again, I only have (2) complaints with the WB series, the first is fully at the hands of the author - that is the evil for evil's sake bit. The 2nd is shared between the author & editor... But so much of the printed works delivered by GW are flawed - spelling errors in rulebooks, IA books & novels.... They really need to examine their editing team...
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The Word Bearers series by Anthony Reynolds is IMHO the best Chaos Marine series out there. Terrific battles, cool characters ( especially the rivalry between Marduk and Kol Badar, the internal politics of the legion etc. ), some really badass moments ( the Chapter called "She Who Thirsts" in Dark Disciple is one of the most badass moments ever. ). Don't miss it.

Marduk is one of the legit badass chaos marines out there. Believe me, it's fun. I found it to be more fun than the Soul Hunter series, which is also excellent IMHO. You don't read stuff like Anthony Reynolds or C.L.Werner for the literature. They're not out there to win the Man Booker Prize. Their books are all about the ASS KICKING, which is why they're so awesome.
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Lord Mephiston,

I can appreciate the idea behind writing action books for the sake of action (black library is bolter porn for gods sakes!) but the significant problems with the editing are inexcusable.

Note(s): the short story in the WB omnibus which describes the fate of everybody's favourite turn-coat is really good. The chapter you specifically mention is also quite good - BUT goes to show a lack of consistency... if Marduk has these powers why doesn't he make use of them more often? He summons daemons twice in one book... with no apparent physical cost to himself, things get hairy later in the series (prior to blocking out the warp with the necron device...)
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this was a great book love the little character moments. It them and the ones in soul and blood that really made me love this trilogy.
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