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the human viewpoint was overdone in my opinion, and no, I don't want bolter porn
I want well written Astartes-centric viewpoints (like ADB)

I really hope Know No Fear doesn't go this route...
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One of the best in my opinion (next to Horus Rising).

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title/art [and Blurb] that makes you think you are getting one thing while you are handed another
is the only real problem with it.

We get enough of the sacking of Prospero in A Thousand Sons.

What would an astartes POV story achieve that this doesn't and what would another side to the Prospero event itself give us?
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One of the best in my opinion (next to Horus Rising).

is the only real problem with it.

We get enough of the sacking of Prospero in A Thousand Sons.

What would an astartes POV story achieve that this doesn't and what would another side to the Prospero event itself give us?
Im with you. People want more more text of sacking of Prospero and then they hide behind silly excuses "i dont want bolter porn". Combat WAS done already at Thousand Sons, no need to do it again, if you dont get it first time... Burning of Prospero WAS THERE, this was the culmination of this book and described events from Wolves side which lead to that. Anyone who blindly follows book titles, or looks cover art and thinks this novel is 100% that, should stop posting here literally.

Hawser was to us also just a usefull tool. We got to see "new" Wolves and who they are even better than writing from their point of view. Outsiders look of things are usually better when author if trying to describe new things. Works in movies, works in books.
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I'd have to disagree
if, say, 50% of Prospero Burns were about, y'know, the burning of Prospero, it still wouldn't be pointless

only small portions of the siege were covered in A Thousand Sons (mainly concentrating on several of the Thousand Son captains), there was a lot of room for expansion from the Wolves' point of view

most of A Thousand Sons was not about the actual siege...Prospero Burns could focus on the military actions of the siege (from the Wolves' POV) without being redundant

A book focusing on the actual burning of Prospero could work very well, and wouldn't have to be bolter porn (ADB's Helsreach was entirely about the siege of Armageddon and it worked well)

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I'd have to disagree
if, say, 50% of Prospero Burns were about, y'know, the burning of Prospero, it still wouldn't be pointless

only small portions of the siege were covered in A Thousand Sons (mainly concentrating on several of the Thousand Son captains), there was a lot of room for expansion from the Wolves' point of view

most of A Thousand Sons was not about the actual siege...Prospero Burns could focus on the military actions of the siege (from the Wolves' POV) without being redundant

A book focusing on the actual burning of Prospero could work very well, and wouldn't have to be bolter porn (ADB's Helsreach was entirely about the siege of Armageddon and it worked well)
The entire book was about how Prospero came to being burned, therefore the tittle still works.

A Thousand Sons covered ALL that was needed to be covered about that actual assault of the planet. What you are asking for IS 150-250 pages of battle scenes. This is a Horus Heresy novel. Not a space marine battles book.

Really, an entire book devoted to the battle, and just the battle, would be completely pointless and would probably add fuck all nothing to the HH series. This revealed a substantial amount of information to the heresy. This book gave us the important answers of who caused the burning of Prospero, and why it was done.

Again, a HH novel focused on what was already covered by another book, would be completely pointless.

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a HH novel focused on what was already covered would by another book, would be completely pointless.
OK...Prospero Burns could've devoted as much space to the actual battle as A Thousand Sons did (I'm pretty sure less than 20% of the novel was about the battle)

giving us a good view from the other side wouldn't have been pointless, A Thousand Sons only covered fragments of the battle on the ground, Prospero Burns could've fleshed it out a lot more, granted us a grand panoramic view, or at least it could've completed our view by providing the other half

instead, we got almost nothing on the battle
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Wow...... grammar fail on my part. Anyway, no, we didn't need any more on the battle than was already covered by A Thousand Sons. By that I mean that the Prospero Burns covered as much as was needed when it came to the actual fighting. The battle wasn't the main focus of the book, but rather how that battle came to be.

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I'm generally with Ahab and Doelago here. One of the most cerebral HH books so far, and welcome in that. A bit misleadingly marketed, like the trailers for Inglourious Basterds showing pretty much all the action shots in the fairly slow-moving film, but still an excellent book.

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gen.ahab, move aside, make way. There'd better be room on that bandwagon for me. I adore the book. But the first 50 pages make me reduce it to 8.5/10. It's an amazing book, but it took a lot of effort to even begin to forgive the...'waste' of that first fifty pages. The best of that 50 pages could be contained in half the space, easily and possibly without much loss.

I'm rereading it now; finally getting somewhere with it too. Good riddance, first fifty!
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gen.ahab, move aside, make way. There'd better be room on that bandwagon for me. I adore the book. But the first 50 pages make me reduce it to 8.5/10. It's an amazing book, but it took a lot of effort to even begin to forgive the...'waste' of that first fifty pages. The best of that 50 pages could be contained in half the space, easily and possibly without much loss.

I'm rereading it now; finally getting somewhere with it too. Good riddance, first fifty!
Considering there is all of maybe 5 people on said wagon, there happens to be more than enough room. Also, 8.5 actually sounds about right to me.

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