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Default Chaos Daemons Tactics

This will be a growing Tactica for the Chaos Daemon Army. Theories will be expanded upon with greater playtesting.

1. Daemonic Assault. Daemons enter play VIA Daemonic Assault, or by splitting their forces into two-halves and deepstriking a half(or random half) and the deepstriking the remaining VIA normal reserves rules. This creates a bit of a complication as well as oppertunity. Certain troops could be destroyed and others could suffer great loses prior to do anything. So we need to keep certain things in mind...

A. Choosing second turn is a god-send. Essentially the other player wastes an entire turn doing nothing but moving, allowing you only a single turn to get shot at prior to movement and assault. However, given the tactic many players may choose second turn in order to gain 2 turns to shoot the crap out of you prior to your retaliation.

B. The opponent will never be able to properly shield thier units. LoS, cover, etc, may all become quite useless against your assault.

C. Objective based missions will have a new level of complexity. Deep-striking a unit right ontop of an objective forces players to re-evalute how their army moves and how they react to the multiple objectives on the table.

D. The gods are fickle! Do not place all your eggs in a single basket. You may not get to choose the half of the army you want to start. It would be a good idea to mix both halves with an even amount of shooting and assault.

The Daemonic assault creates a very random and unpredictable element to the battle field with virtually no players having much experience using or combatting it.

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The only problem being daemons have little shooting and its very short ranged...and on the other hand it could be a shit load of horrors firing 3 shots a piece.
I will continue to watch for any truely awesome ideas, which i'm sure are to arise.
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Default The Changling

The Changling... this is a very odd yet insanely powerful creature, especially given his incredibly low point costs. There is never a reason to not take this upgrade. Players should always consider putting him in their army if the points allow for it, since he's a upgrade to an existing unit.

The Glamour is extremely powerful and you don't risk anything by using it every available turn. It is not a psychic power, so cannot be blocked, and it works on Fearless units, since it does not for a morale check, but a leadership test. And most devestating of all, it works on Vehicles (ableit at Ld10).

Let me explain how dangerous this thing is; you see that Baneblade on the field? There's a chance you can turn all of it's weapons on a neighboring Super Heavy or Infantry Platoon. See that massive biotitan? How about using it's weapons to fry nearby Monsertous creatures? Sounds good to me! As it is not a Psychic power, but simply a special power used by the Changling, everything is susceptible to it.

It's usually better to target non-vehicle and low leadership units since it will have a greater chance of working. Don't under estimate certain units compared to others. Snatching a squad of Guardians over the squad of Dark Reapers next to them isn't a bad idea, you'll have a lot more shots and they have less initiative. And could unload on the Reapers easing up the hurt they can put on your own troops.

The possibilites are quite entertaining and the risk nonexistant. It's a power you can spam all day long without fear of retaliation and when it works, and you can count on at least once a battle, really put some hurt on the enemy. But keeping all this in mind, chances are your enemy will try to gun him down with high priority, make sure he is well defended and screened with some extra assault troops or wounds in his own squad.

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Default Heralds

The Daemons are able to field a whooping 4 Heralds in a single army. With the power of each specialized Herald, itís like having 4 Chaos Space Marine Lords/Sorcerers in a single army. They are also not restricted to their god types, so you could field the Masque and Skulltaker in the same detachment coupled with either another 2 Heralds of any sort or a single Greater Demon. However, 4 Heralds are certainly not a horrendous choice, since you spread your forces out evenly a little more and each one acts independently from the 2nd in its HQ spot.

While Heralds are nasty in their own right, they are not the true beasts that Greater Demons are. Unlike their much larger and nastier brothers and sisters, they require a bit more care and protection on the battlefield. As much as you want Skulltaker to get into CC with the many multi-wounded champions of good, you need to make sure he lives long enough to do so. But you have at least two options.

1. Heralds are Independent Characters. This will save you so long as they remain near and behind a friendly unit. While this may change come 5th, it currently stands as a good deterrent to targeting. However, once they get into CC, they are still on their own.

2. Heralds can be attached to the same god-aligned squad. Skulltaker can join a squad marked with Khorne while Masque can join squads marked with Slanesh. This provides them certain meatshields to utilize as they run across the battlefield and insures they have the proper backup to smash into enemy lines. Plus they are still IC in CC so can direct their attacks towards those that really need a beat down.

Itís important to realize the power each one has and to use it appropriately. Skulltaker is no good if he isnít in CC. The Masque can be affective at both short range to CC. While the rather lazy Nurgle Herald is good even tucked away hiding in a corner where no one can get to him, the Tzeentch Herald is better at range than anything else. Using them appropriately and you can sow some pretty heavy devestation on the battlefield.

As with the rest of the Daemon army, Heralds are all about exploiting the weaknesses presented by the enemy and then capitalizing on their respective strengths. Remember that you have the choice (most of it anyway) where they descend upon their prey, so feel free to take those risks and brutalize your opponent for placing no CC units near his heavies, or foolishly sending the scout forces out first to take the objective with no backup.

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Default Flamers of Tzeentch

Arguably the best shooting unit in the Daemon Codex. While short range (18Ē), their ability to deep-strike allows you the opportunity to position yourself where you please for maximum devastation. In case you land too closely to your opponent or they start coming up on your position to quickly, they have the secondary flamer attack, which is even more devastating than their warp-fire. In melee, they fall short being a Tzeentch related daemon, they donít have any nifty attacks nor special defenses, so you want another squad to back them up.

What really adds icing on the cake is that they are considering jump infantry, so can quickly move around the board to lay down some heinous suppressive fire wherever they go. While you donít want them in CC, their flamer attack canít be ignored, and is almost always worth the risk. The remaining models left in whatever squad you hit with your flamer attack shouldnít be able to retaliate enough to do any major damage. But itís always a good idea to keep a CC oriented squad nearby just in case you need to bail them out of hot water.

The other beauty is that like every other unit, you get to choose what attack each model makes. So in case you couldnít quite reach total template devastation, the models too far off can still warp-fire into the same squad. I always suggest resolving the template weapons first to prevent your opponent from range model removal in the effort to deny you more hits.

Those who enjoy shooting will enjoy the Flamers of Tzeentch immensely, since they combine speed, fire-power and sheer terror onto your opponent.

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Default The Soul Grinder

Never was there a more apt name for this monstrosity. The only vehicle in the Daemon Codex, but after looking at what he can do, do they really need another one? The Soul Grinder wields the most fire-power in the entire codex, and can easily be a beast in CC in his own right considering heís more ruthless than a Defiler.

The Soul Grinder comes standard with two weapon systems; The Harvester and the Maw Cannon. The Harvester is simply a troop raker. It has a whooping 6 shots and an assault profile with a fairly decent strength and AP value. It will eat through light troops with ease and put a hurt on heavier troops with its volume.

The Maw Cannon is a bit of an oddity. While beginning as a template based weapon, it can purchase two upgrades. The first allows it to be a short range tank/toughness killer. A single powerful shot with the intention of bringing down the harder to crack targets. The seconds allows it to drop a lovely large blast that will destroy just about everything it hits. The beauty of the Maw Cannon is that like the Harvester, all of its weapon profiles are assault based, even the Blast. This means standing still isnít the Soul Grinders slightest concern.

Add in slightly tougher armor than a Defiler, the same Possession status, and its ability to Deep-strike, and youíve got yourself a Daemon Engine that will get everyoneís attention pretty damn quick. It will be tough to crack this beast, and even if you do, a pretty lucky shot to get him down.

The Soul Grinder is a solid, tough as nails, powerful, and decently priced unit. Given the costs for the upgrades and comparing it to a standard Defiler, why would you ever not bring this guy in all his Daemonic glory? He is affective against every unit, doesnít have to worry about squatting to shoot his guns and can rip through units in CC. Expect him to be high on your opponents priorities list and back him up appropriately. Even the strongest things can be taken down if not used properly.

Keep him in cover if possible, downgrades can save your life. Use his weapons appropriately, try not to waste the Harvester by taking a single chance shot at an Enemy tank. And donít get him killed on the way down, heís still susceptible to deep-strike mishaps, so be cautious. Used correctly, heíll grind plenty of souls to dust.

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Default Daemon Princes

In a pure Daemon army, Princes are a half breed pretty far down the totem pole. While they are an HQ choice for a Chaos army, they are a Heavy Support Choice for a Daemon army. But if you love Princes, chance are you wonít mind taking 3 of them, coupled with 2 Greater Daemons for a nasty Monstrous themed army. And of course, you still get the many choices of gifts and blessings available to them. For the sake of ease, Daemon Princes will be called DP with Chaos Demon Princes will be called CP.

Statistically speaking, the DP & CP are not too far apart. Where one is fairly better in one stat, the other is fairly better in the other. Regardless of the subtle differences, they are still a beast when it comes to stats. And if that werenít enough, you can devote them to a specific God and gain more prestigious and specific powers. So what would you like them to do?

While some people believe they have become a kin to the Carnifex, a MC that can shoot, that isnít accurate. The DP is still a creature you want to use right in the enemies face. The big difference is that the DP has the abilities to get him there and go toe to toe with various units whereas the Carnifex isnít always reliable against certain things. The biggest difference is that the Carnifex can be used as a stationary sniper, whereas the DP range is rather limited.

But when it comes to shooting, the DP has many options. High strength attacks, high volume attacks and templates attacks are all available to him. Even if you make the DP a fire base, his strength comes from his mobility and CC abilities on top of his fire power.

CC DP are also still quite affective. A decent upgradable armor save, high strength attacks, a fair amount of attacks, MC status and a fairly good initiative all upgradable in their own right; the DP can swat most units down with impunity. It also has access to other nifty CC abilities; Rending, Poisons, etc. It will kill whatever it hits and take a beating before going down.

The biggest issue with the DP is the price. While it starts out fairly cheap, the cost of the upgrades and the volume of them you might want to take really start to add up. While a no nonsense DP will charge you less than 100pts, a balls to the wall DP can breach 300pts. But with careful use, can easily earn their points back.

The only other issues the DP face is that they share a slot with the Soul Grinder, the only Daemonic vehicle currently in existence. While 3 DP seems like a really good idea, one cannot ignore the powers a Soul Grinder wields. Chances are most opponents will see all 3 Heavy supports choices taken in every Daemonic army.

Donít forget that the DP follows all the Daemon rules, so while a danger to any unit on the field, it needs to be protected until it can unleash itself onto your enemies. Donít get to close to the enemy during initial Deep-strike, try to find some cover to prevent a barrage of bullets. While it can harass the enemy multiple ways, hold a flank with furor and spearhead assaults, itís always a good idea to back him up with something else to help him mop up those pesky swarms.

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Not much has changed with Nurglings from their previous incarnations. They're tiny, they're a lot of them, and they're stats are rather bizarre. Like Ripper Swarms and the Nurglings of the past, most people would overlook them since they are usually only used for bogging down units until something tougher comes along that can swat them. Here's the thing though... Nurglings are a lot stronger in the new codex than one would initially think. Here's a few things to consider about Nurglings...

1. They Deep-Strike. They can land anywhere on the board. While slow, the fact you can pop them down wherever your black heart desires is a nice addition to their performance. Imagine a swarm of rotting pimples digging their way out of the ground and begining to snarl and claw at you... gross...

2. They're Daemons. While Granted they suffer from the Swarms rule, they are Daemons... so you CAN'T Instant kill them. For something that has 3 wounds per base, that is the nutty goodness that grabs onto your crap as you try to squeeze one off. Who cares if their toughness is that of an Eldar or Guardsman... THREE WOUNDS. A squad of Nurglings can soak an incredible amount of firepower.

3. They're Daemons. Sure I said it twice, but this time it's because they're invulnerable. It doesn't matter what weapons your enemy throws at you, you still have the chance to shrug it off like it was nothing. You see that Terminator squad rocking the Power fists? Throw your Nurglings at it and watch them squirm as they can only take off a wound at a time, if they manage to get past your saves.

4. The Tally of Nurgle. They add to the book and get all the benefits associatted when the Fat guy on the chair is still kicking. Nurglings with Power Weapon attacks? Where do I sign up?

These aren't the old school Nurglings people used to annoy their opponent with. These are the new puss filled monstrosities on the block. Nurglings have become a lot more dangerous than most have realized, and some might still be in disbelief about. And given their insane reslience, would go nicely into a Multi-wound army that puts the Nidzillas to shame.

Numbers is the name of the game, and when it comes to soaking them up, Nurglings are your one way ticket to the Nurglebowl.

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The big daddy matchos of the Daemonic armies; the Greater Daemons are the strongest manifestations of the Chaos Gods in normal armies. Only the vast powers of the Apocolyptic Daemons surpass them. If you wanted to field that awsome Blood Thirster Model again, you're in luck, you can. Or better yet, you can field two.

Yes, that's right. Greater Daemons take up a single HQ slot, so you can field two Greater Daemons in a single army detachment. And no, there exist no rules limiting which two you decide to use, whether two of the same or opposing alingments. The only restriction is that you don't take more than a single named Greater Daemon.

Yes, that's right again, they have 3 named Greater Daemons, each with unique abilities to unleash upon your foes. Each ability with its own quirk.

First we have the Keeper of Secrets. There is nothing, NOTHING as fast in combat as this beast, with a whooping 10 initiative. Who cares if they have Banshee masks or are in cover, you will strike with them if not before. It's numerous attacks, MC status andf rocking WS skill, you can mow through the toughest of opponents. Speaking of fast, did I mention this thing can Fleet? Yah, a fleeting MC that has the option of purchasing Pavane, a weaker version of Lash of Submission. Who cares if you don't have wings, you don't need them.

Second is the slimey Unclean One. So you're slow... but you have more wounds then most people can dream of AND Feel No Pain on top of that. Purchasing extra strength on this pile of crap (literaly) is only for tank hunting, and you probably don't need that with his MC status, because he wounds everything on a 2+. Yes, everything, even that floating Necron that thinks he's all cool.

Third is the terrifying Blood Thirster. Physically the strongest of the Greater Daemons and frightenly fast with his Daemonic flight. The only Greater Daemon with an armor save on top of his Inv save, does he really need Furious Charge? Why yes, why the hell not? Worried about Psykers? How about a 2+ save Vs anything Psychic? Yep, no to shabby at all.

Fourth we have the Lord of Change. Worried about not having enough shooting? How about a MC that can target multiple units with some devestating amount of various attacks? He puts Flamers to shame and moves just as fast. He's also got the best Inv save of the group, Power Armor on steroids.

Then we have the Named Greater Daemons...

The Plaguefather is a dirty version of the Unclean One. Yes, an even dirtier version. you don't see these numbers on wounds profiles beyond gargantuan creatures, but there they are. Don't think you have enough Ordnance? This thing craps Demolisher cannons. If that wasn't bad enough, he also craps allies. Yes, he is a crap machine, and his crap is good.

The Fateweaver is an odd duck. Not so much a duck as some freakish bird thing that happens to be a decked out Lord of Change. But if you needed some extra protection for your troops, he's the guy for the job. Get some bad rolls on your saves? If you're near him, feel free to praise the dice gods for another chance. But here's the catch, he may have a few wounds, but only a single one will take him out. Yah, I don't understand it either.

The Exiled One creates pure havoc on the battlefield, whether you want it to be there or not. He's a buff Bloodthrister besides, but he brings the Rage of Khorne with him. There are few "must" rules in the game, but he just happens to have one, that affects you and your opponent. For some odd reason, it makes them hit better, go figure. With any close proximity, things are going to get hit and die; be ready for it.

So with all of these awsome ideas, what's the deal? Well... they cost a ton. If you were stingant on LandRaider costs, a Herald might be a better choice for you. But hey, all these guys can take several Landraider shots to the face and growl back, and then hose through a Landraider and all the guys trying to take cover behind it. That's why some of them cost more, yes, MORE than a Landraider.

Plus you still get the Daemon Package deal, Deep Strike and ID immunity. Don't worry about Power Fists with these guys. What are they going to do, scratch your back? Show them what true power is!

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Hows this for a plan? Take Skarbrand in a Slaanesh heavy army, you'll be mowing through the enemy in no time, and Initiative 5/6 on all the Slaanesh stuff means that a lot of stuff isn't gonna be hitting back. Plus think of all the rending goodness you'll get out of it.

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