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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 08-26-10, 05:32 PM Thread Starter
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CSM vs CRONS, need help!

I'm pretty new to this hobby and I have been playing for a month or two. I play a lot with my friend at about 1000 point games. He plays necrons and runs 2 squads of 14 necron warriors, 3 destroyers, and the night bringer.

Some how his night bringer always manages to eat up my chaos space marines. So I redid my army list and would love some advice.

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Daemon Prince with wings

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5x Chosen plasma gun/rhino

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x8 Khorne berzerkers/champ/fist/rhino/personal icon

x8 Khorne berzerkers/champ/fist/rhino/personal icon

x8 Lesser daemons


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drop the lesser daemons and take rhinos for the bezerkers. that gives them the mobility to avoid the nightbringer and get into cc with his warriors. Phase Out Baby!

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the bezerkers already have rhinos.

I would try to give the prince a psychic power, even if it's only warptime, that still better than a plain jane prince

If you drop the lesser demons you might free up some points for a greater demon. If you also drop the bezerkers you can get a more expensive troop

Thousand sons are born necron killers, with their ap3 bolters and if you do happen to get close (which neither of you want) your sorcerer can use wind of chaos and torch those warriors.

Seeing as necrons will be back, why not have your own version of this, why not take plague marines with plasma or melta for some staying and killing power

Hope this helped a bit and good luck
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the bezerkers already have rhinos.
How could I be so stupid!? Surves(SP?) me right for not reading the list properly


The best power for a prince is warptime for the rerolls.

Also thousand sons suck against crons as they don't ignore we'll be back and have a lot less shots than vanilla CSM at the same points so do the same damage, do the math.

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Uber-LOL - Necrons are supposed to be really uncompetitive, so you should really need tactics vs them ;)

But seriously, there are 2 options:

1. Assume your opponent is a n00b and doesn't know how to play Necrons = rush CC on Warriors and Phase Out in Turn 2.

2. Assume your opponent knows how to play, and then start to worry.

I prefer to plan tactics based on assumption 2, but your opponent is obviously in the first category, so don't worry about it. If you have shooty of S5+ then use that to take out the C'tan, just lots of shots should do it. But your friend is going to be really easy to Phase Out, so just go for that with an assault on turn 2. Your games should not really go beyond turn 3.

[EDIT] P.S. you realise he is using 1,014pts, that is almost a whole Necron Warrior extra. Making him drop the spare model will help you right away - 1 model closer to Phase Out.

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have the oblits kill the destroyers first. cc the warriors with the beserkers and lesser deamons. give the deamon prince mark of slannesh and lash of submission. u can use that to keep the night bringer away so u can get many turns of shooting him with the chosen.
hope this helps!
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Winged Lash Prince.

Then just keep lashing the Nightbringer backwards/away from the rest of the army while the Oblits pummel the destroyers.
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have the oblits kill the destroyers first. cc the warriors with the beserkers and lesser deamons. give the deamon prince mark of slannesh and lash of submission. u can use that to keep the night bringer away so u can get many turns of shooting him with the chosen.
hope this helps!
Do Chosen have S5+ guns? If they don't then they can't hurt the C'tan at all at range. If there is a Lash Prince then it would probably be an early target for the Necrons and shouldn't be counted on as an anti-C'tan option.

Safest option is to make short work of the Warriors, in such a speedy way that the C'tan can't get involved to spoil things.

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hey guys thanks a lot of the input!

the chosens are all armed with plasma gun. is the lash prince a good idea? because if i could push away nightbringer every turn my berserkers would munch up his warriors.

also do you guys think i need the chosen? they are like 200 points which is rather expensive, i could trade them for 2 more obliterators to overkill his destroyers cause those things are a major threat to my rhinos.
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The Destroyers are not a problem for you as long as you have some guns with 36"+ range. You only need to cause 3 unsaved wounds for them to be perma-dead, no WBB. Just max out vs the massive, massive, massive noob errors your opponent is making.

Priority activity:

1. kill the Destroyers from range on turn 1. They don't get WBB if you kill all 3.
2. use your S5+ shooting attacks to put pressure on the C'tan.
3. forget about lashing the C'tan to keep it away. Use the lash to get the Warriors NEARER.
4. an early assault on the Warriors can give you a Phase Out win by turn 2. This will mean that the C'tan can be pretty much ignored, there isn't enough time for it to do anything.

Put all your force against the weakest aspect of your opponent's army and it will be a brutal lesson in list building for him.

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