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post #21 of 25 (permalink) Old 10-17-08, 03:38 AM
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Against IG armies you not always need a pk
Tell that to Ogryns. Or tanks. Or hell, Storm Troopers.

If I could tailor each list I made to the opponent I knew I'd be facing, I'd take Big Choppas, sure.

But I don't.

And in a take-all-comers list, you WANT that armor cracking, you WANT that strength 10.

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Tell that to Ogryns. Or tanks. Or hell, Storm Troopers.

And in a take-all-comers list, you WANT that armor cracking, you WANT that strength 10.

On a charge the warboss with big choppa will still instant kill ogryns, and importantly hit before they do, and only needs a +2 to glance any imperial tank except 1 and that only needs a +3.

Yes it not really suitable for an all comers list, but when you know you going to be facing IG well worth the consideration.
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Yes it not really suitable for an all comers list, but when you know you going to be facing IG well worth the consideration.
I could say the same for MEQ or Daemon Princes or up-armored Carnifexes or Hive Tyrants with Warp Field or Armored Companies and the Klaw.

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I could say the same for MEQ or Daemon Princes or up-armored Carnifexes or Hive Tyrants with Warp Field or Armored Companies and the Klaw.
Hmm you must have a different codex from me I can not find any of these units in the IG.
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Hmm you must have a different codex from me I can not find any of these units in the IG.
You're either seriously not paying attention, or you're being deliberately obtuse in order to provoke a reaction. Either way, please knock it off.


He's not saying the BC isn't good against IG. In fact, he's AGREED that it is. All he's saying is "The BC is a good choice because it's good against IG" is not a good argument because you could make the same argument for the Klaw being good because it's good against the aforementioned types of armies.

If you're custom tailoring an anti-IG list, then fine. But if you want to make any OTHER kind of list, the Klaw is the better choice because it's useful against more types of units.

He's agreed that the BC is good against IG, you've agreed that the Klaw is good in a take all comers list. You both agree, so drop it.

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