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Default Dsetroyers or Tomb Blades

I guess this is more of a question of army list but I sort of want to know your tactical views on taking them. I'm soon going to an Invasion at WHW and was playtestinga list with friends and it seemed the tomb blades I took weren't ever doing much (this was in several games) and I have ended up losing 2/3 of the games I've played with said list, they have always been against the same chaos and DA player who kno my tactics well and that Tomb blades can be devastating.

In a previous Invasion event that I went to I had destroyers instead of tomb blades and I won every game, but the lists that I was playing against were generally awful adn I ended up tabling 2/3 opponents.

So my question is what should I go for 4 destroyers (with one heavy destroyer) or tomblades (with 3+ save and particle beamer, with enough to spare for an extra 2 warriors)?

Argument for destroyers
I will have a decent anti-tank from the heavy and good anti Meq and they always seemed to do something to help - however sa mentioned the lists I was playing against was generally bad so it may have just been luck, also I have heard that people generally don't like them (I don't actually know why, anyone explain this?). On average against a marine I should be getting 4.2 wounds.

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They have S6 blast weapons which could really help me against hoardes (but at these events I have only ever faced Meq and one guard army out of the 2 I have been to) they get jink to protect against ap3 stuff a bit, and they are jetbikes so could dash to get linebreaker. What' more is (as I said) the friends I tested with know how I play and that tomb blades are nasty so focus on them. On average (with the blasts getting 3 hits each) I cause 7.5 wounds which saved by Meq bring it down to killing 2.5 marines.

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The Destroyers are more fragile, and from my experience they're rather easy to get First Blood from due to a lack of Jink and large footprint. I think the reason your Tomb Blades keep underperforming is that we know how much damage they're capable of and try to prevent that as much as possible).

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The other thing to consider with a pattern weapon is that it can't snapfire, making the tomb blades very susceptible to assault kills. Destroyers, I think, can hold up to HTH marginally better, and get to pepper their opponents before being stuck in.
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That is a very good point, especially since my tomb blades attract a lot of unwanted CC attention, and magically it seems, it is very rare with destroyers that said it is rare to even hit with overwatch, but then preferred enemy AP3 is very likely to kill if it does hit, and some shots is better than none.

With midnight's point about tomb blades being tougher, while a jink is useful, it is not hard to keep destroyers in cover, and in fact it is only ever your plasma weapons which are fired at them. What do you mean by large footprint?

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I am a VERY big fan of Tomb Blades with the Small blast weapon. Make them like BS 5 (or +1 cover saves) and damn they will mess up infantry and can ping tanks.

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I don't use either. Give me Wraiths, Scarabs and Acanthrites.

But between the two, I like the Tomb Blades. They are more mobile and can carry Tesla. The PE is nice with Destroyers, as is the Gauss Cannon. But you can put a Destroyer Lord with Tomb Blades for Res Orbs and PE without losing much effectiveness.

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PE? I have wraiths in my list anyway, and in 1250pts, a destroyer lords isn't viable. Well I am certainly in a pickle it would seem, if I don take tomb blades then I wil definately take particle beamers as I have immortals anyway for tesla. What would you go for 3+ armour or 4+ cover (from shield vanes and shadow looms respectively)

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I am a VERY big fan of Tomb Blades with the Small blast weapon. Make them like BS 5 (or +1 cover saves) and damn they will mess up infantry and can ping tanks.
But then surely gauss would be better as it can glance any vehicle, plus there will be a heavy gauss cannon in their too.

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PE: Preferred Enemy, and Shadowlooms all the way. Destroyers having a large footprint means the unit takes up a lot of space - they're on 40ml bases, IIRC, so taking more than 3 starts taking up a lot of board space.

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Ah, yeah I see what you men, but as I noticed the other day, a big footprint often helps, for instanc my tombe blades have been hit plenty of times with flamers and blasts as it often hits all three, whereas being on big destroyer bases a blast template often hits only 1 or 2, even on a direct hit

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If you know your gonna be facing MEQ Go Destroyers otherwise tomblade all the way. Tomblades are like the destroyeres of old except with twin-linked weapons or S6 Blasts and beside enough Guass flayer fire and a few mind-shackle scarabs eventully removes those pesy marines anyway. So just use tomblades

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