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I'm making some different army builds for a 2000, 2500 points,
looks like throwing 250 points in a single character that can,t join any unit, and can only buff himself, a bit difficult, moreover when we have such candys to include such as storm ravens, aegis , and points that can go elsewhere,l

having a librarian on terminator armor as primary cg, makes me difficult to include meph, unless i am willing to play a 3000 pts+ game, because, i feel i have other needs to fulfill tactically,

i rather prefer to extend my asault terminator army from 5 men to 9men + a sangui priest on term armor that to add a single unit( or add a terminator tactical squad with assault cannon and chainfists,

i find even easier to add a second librarian,and have still points left
what you think?
in wich situations we could think about including meph? and in which are auto include?
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Mephiston is not for everyone. He is actually very impressive in combat and few would dare to challenge him other than to slow his onslaught to the whole squad. But he does require certain tactics to keep him alive until combat, such as "bubble-wrapping." You can also switch his powers now, if you so choose but that's a grab-bag game. Most Blood Angel players will say Mephiston is necessary for larger games, but he can work in smaller ones too. If you prefer a different Librarian, however, it is your choice.

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Mephiston is not for everyone. He is actually very impressive in combat and few would dare to challenge him other than to slow his onslaught to the whole squad.
just kidding, ap3.

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Then simply don't put him anywhere near Terminators/Characters? 2+ (especially scoring 2+) is not common enough.



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just kidding, ap3.

Its all about tycho now.
I don't know why people say that AP3 is bad. I mean only about 90% of the unit types in the game have a 3+ or worse armor save.

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Then simply don't put him anywhere near Terminators/Characters? 2+ (especially scoring 2+) is not common enough.
This. Mephiston has barely changed with the new edition of the rules. He's still S10, he still has a godly charge range (and is one of the only models i can think of that can move 12" and still re-roll assault distance), his shooting can actually wreck tanks and the like now, and he still murders anything with a 3+ save or lower.

Use him like you always should have been - wrecking troop squads, wrecking smaller squads, wrecking dreadnoughts, wrecking MC's

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I don't know why people say that AP3 is bad. I mean only about 90% of the unit types in the game have a 3+ or worse armor save.
My comment was said in jest, meph is still scary. The ap change doesnt really change the type of things i'd throw at him in cc anyway, it just makes his retaliation less frightening.
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Dude, he got *better* because of AP3 power swords. He has a 2+ save! That fixed one of his biggest weaknesses, which was no invulnerable. Now he can wade into combat against most squads with PWs and either cut them down by striking first, or get his 2+ versus swords.

With Wings he's considered Jump all turn, so he can re-roll his charge distance now, and he gets an I10 Hammer of Wrath attack.

Just keep him away from 2+ and he'll slaughter everything on the board.
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Don't forget his Preferred Enemy - Reroll to hit and wound with rolls of 1? With WS7 and S6, he's typically hitting on 3's and wounding on 2's anyway.



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My comment was said in jest, meph is still scary. The ap change doesnt really change the type of things i'd throw at him in cc anyway, it just makes his retaliation less frightening.
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