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Default Mindworm vs Fearless units.

OK, me and a friend are having a discussion about how Mindworm would cripple Abbadon in one turn, whereas I'm not so sure...

Basically the argument is, Mindworm affects a model with a leadership value, meaning he has to take a leadership test, but what about on Fearless models like Abbadon? Would the fearless rule simply override and mean he passes?

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now, if i can remember correctly, i think fearless only works on morale checks or leadership checks. maybe both, too tired to check right now.

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OK, me and a friend are having a discussion about how Mindworm would cripple Abbadon in one turn, whereas I'm not so sure...

Basically the argument is, Mindworm affects a model with a leadership value, meaning he has to take a leadership test, but what about on Fearless models like Abbadon? Would the fearless rule simply override and mean he passes?

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It would cause a moral check at -1 ld; however, fearless units automatically pass all moral checks. So, it does nothing except wounds.

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Mind Worm does indeed have the possibility of making Abaddon gibble like a Servitor.

Fearless works in regards to Morale and Pinning. Not Leadership tests, which Mind Worm is.

To prove an example, a Daemon Prince will never fall back but would still need to take a leadership test to cast Warptime.

However, Abaddon does not think rationally, therefore he is unaffected! (Those reading the entry of Mind Worm will get that joke ;) )

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Fearless works in regards to Morale and Pinning. Not Leadership tests, which Mind Worm is.
It is a moral test.

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*If an enemy unit suffers one or more casualties because of a devourer and is required to take a Morale check at the end of the phase, it suffers a -1 to its Leadership.

I am not sure if you would play Abaddon as an IC in a group, but if he is by himself, he would have to die to take the test. Bit pointless.

However, if he is in a group, it would have to be with non-fearless models. If this is true, once you kill 25% of the models in the unit, the entire group would have to take a moral check at -1 Ld.

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Wait a minute... am I being an idiot? What is a mindworm? I read that as Brainleech worms from the MC Devourer. I just checked the codex and couldn't find anything else that fits, but I just want to double check.

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It is a moral test.

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*If an enemy unit suffers one or more casualties because of a devourer and is required to take a Morale check at the end of the phase, it suffers a -1 to its Leadership.

I am not sure if you would play Abaddon as an IC in a group, but if he is by himself, he would have to die to take the test. Bit pointless.

However, if he is in a group, it would have to be with non-fearless models. If this is true, once you kill 25% of the models in the unit, the entire group would have to take a moral check at -1 Ld.
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Mind Worm does indeed have the possibility of making Abaddon gibble like a Servitor.

Fearless works in regards to Morale and Pinning. Not Leadership tests, which Mind Worm is.

To prove an example, a Daemon Prince will never fall back but would still need to take a leadership test to cast Warptime.

However, Abaddon does not think rationally, therefore he is unaffected! (Those reading the entry of Mind Worm will get that joke ;) )
Cheers buddy, explained it nicely

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Cheers buddy, explained it nicely
LOL. Sorry. Been studying too much and not sleeping enough.

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