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post #31 of 37 (permalink) Old 08-11-10, 02:16 PM
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don, 25 years? really? nice. i was at fort bragg.

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Bragg, huh? I'm sorry. I was there TDY twice, both times for boards. First time I show up, rental car authorized, and Bragg says OK, here's a CUCV (Blazer), that's your rental car. Second time the airline lost my luggage. So I'm sitting on the board the next day in bluejeans and t-shirt. I think it was a bit disconcerting for some of the soldiers appearing before the board.................

Anyways, I was just repeating what someone else had already pointed out earlier in the thread, so he gets credit for being 'first'. But yeah, this is a long standing debate. And sure, sometimes it is fun to run everything secret. But the default is what's in the transport is revealed. There's even a suggestion (yes, just a suggestion) on page 64 that you put a model from the transported unit on top of the transport. So there's RAI right in the rulebook....................

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But the default is what's in the transport is revealed. There's even a suggestion (yes, just a suggestion) on page 64 that you put a model from the transported unit on top of the transport. So there's RAI right in the rulebook....................
You even have to announce which units are embarked in which transports when you declare the disposition of your reserves.
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I think the biggest issue here is the matter of cheating. I play eldar, and the wave serpent (our dedicated transport) can carry a very vast number of models. I could have 3 wave serpents all with the same weapons and upgrades, and easly cheat. Okay so my first wave serpent gets destroyed, that one now is holding useless troops, but the one he didnt attack gets to now hold my fire dragons.

Okay so he moved his tank closer to my wave serpent that was holding DA's a second ago, you get to know have my Anti-tank troupes. So on and so on. It would just be much to easy to exploit in tournaments, and when it comes to being competitive, a lot of people will do anything to win. Heck a lot of people put a lot of time into this game, they would love to win.

If its with your friends, your obviously (hopefully) not going to cheat, then power to you, would be fun with secrecy and adding a whole new aspect to the game.

However, in any other situation, as a simplicity of stopping cheaters, full disclosure must unfortunately be in affect. Anything that can lead to potentially easy cheating has to be blatant to not favor the cheaters.

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First of all, I apologize for the outburst. I have no problem with revealing for tournament rules. I have my vehicles painted differently (I couldn't come to a decision until recently on legion I want to play) so as long as I have which unit is in which colored vehicle, as well with HQs, written down on my list then I don't see why my opponent would have a problem with that.
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What I did with similar transport vehicles is mark them with a number from your transfer sheet or in the case of eldar vary the pattern up a bit or even mark them with symbols. This is just best to avoid the scenario Jimboz described, because it's true I have seen that happen many times also. Or the worse when a guy has like 4 wave serpents all painted the same colour, before the game starts he tells you what's in each and then plays full card monty with them so by the time they're exiting, being blown up, what have you, you have no idea what unit was in what wave serpent.
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some games i do put a guy up top, cuz on the base of the SM is the squad designation on it.

i have a rhino, a razorback, and 4 raiders (yeah, its nuts). each thing has a different part thats either painted weird or missing a part (ive had my army 12 years now...)
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yea buddy only 1 dedicated transport per unit and combat squads are only 1 unit so you cant duoble up on transports.
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