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Question -1 to hit and plazma

Hi all, i know its a bit quieter around here these days but ive always asked on this forum before and never failed to get an answer to here goes again...

So I was playing a game last Saturday and I was using a lot of plazma equipped Scions dropping in against Eldar. I super charged double tapped them only to be informed that because the pointy eared pricks were -1 to hit, that also mean that my guys blew themselves up on a roll of a 2 as well as a 1?? This really didn't seem right to me at all??

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That is unfortunately legit my friend. It's one of the casualties of the over simplification of 8th edition, roll to hit then apply the modifier. The plasma rule should be be redone to be honest so only a natural roll of a one toasts your reluctant hero

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It actually gets a little worse still, as modifiers are applied AFTER rerolls. So if you brought something that gives you a reroll on 1s to hit to PREVENT plasma from blowing up in your face (most likely through Orders in your case) while you'll explode on a 2 because it becomes a 1, you can't reroll it as being a 1.

My advice, just don't bother overcharging when the enemy's got something like that (and there's a good number of armies who can pull of at least a -1). It's rarely worth it.

Also just chalk it up as Eldar Bullshit as the Eldar are by far the worst offenders. They have an Autarch Relic, the Psychic Power Conceal, and a 2CP stratagem (all of which affect 1 unit only, thank the Emperor) and then there's the Alaitoc Craftworld which gives all enemies -1 to hit Army-wide at 12" away. And all of this STACKS.

So yeah, if there's an Eldar player with the willingness to invest all those resources you can potentially find yourself looking at an Autarch with -4 to be hit. But then they could instead give aspect warriors a save comparable to Custodes, so... The Big Book of Eldar Bullshit is still quite full.

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S**t the bed that's mad, and very unfair on plasma dudes. Why the fact that they have a big floppy hat, or a pair of sunglasses, or what ever the Pointy eared douche's do to make themselves so hard to hit would make my gun explode I do not know.

I guess itll just be single wounds from now on then!! Where did I put my melta gun?!?

As always chaps, thanks for the prompt help, even though your answers were totally the opposite of what I wanted to hear lol!!

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As a side note for this, I believe the next Big Survey for all the FAQs is coming soon where GW ask for feedback from the community on the ruleset. This definitely feels like something worth mentioning!!

Me: To be honest im amazed there isn't a chaos god of not revising or at least chaos god of procrastination

MidnightSun: There will be, when enough people do it. Y'know when the Eldar were all engaging in their hedonism and Slaanesh ripped open the Eye of Terror with his creation? Slaanesh will have NOTHING on the God of Procrastination, and his vile minions will carve the galaxy asunder in a thousand year reign of blood.... Tomorrow
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Eh, maybe. Given that plasma is very much in a sweet spot right as a weapon right now, I don't actually think it running into an unfortunate interaction is a big thing. Remember it would flat-out explode in your face on a 1 during normal use for many editions - In 8th it's still plenty effective and only has a chance to go boom when you get greedy and overcharge.

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