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Default Psychic shriek leadership confusion.

Psychic Shriek works by rolling 3d6 then subtracting the target units leadership and the difference is inflicted as wounds with out armor or cover saves.

but what leadership do i use? it's not a leadership test so the more i think about it, the more i think the the highest leadership would not be used since that is only true for leadership tests, which this is not.

so, do I use highest leadership? or most common? I lean for that latter but I'm not sure.

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I can't think of any circumstance where majority ld is used over highest. If majority was used, why would you want a champion model in your squads?
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I can't think of any circumstance where majority ld is used over highest. If majority was used, why would you want a champion model in your squads?
for leadership tests, which this is strictly not. this is taking a models leadership and subtracting from a total, NOT a leadership test. hence my confusion

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Even statistic tests test from the highest, not the majority
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Even statistic tests test from the highest, not the majority
huh? where it say that? (opens codex read page seven very, very closely)

oh there it is. Ehhh, sorry seems the answer was right in front of me.

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Regardless, it's till not a characteristic test, it's a 'compare to value' mechanic.

It functions more like the rules for shooting at multiple toughness value units on pg. 14 of the BRB. When determining the value to use, you use the value that's in the majority, and only use the higher value if it is in the majority or tied for majority.

Also as a side note for characteristics tests, as models test individually, the 'use the highest' rule is on a model by model basis, and does not apply the highest value to the entire unit.


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I'm sorry what? Where does it say anywhere to use majority ld for shriek and not highest? If it's majority, everyone I know has been misplaying it.
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I'm sorry what? Where does it say anywhere to use majority ld for shriek and not highest? If it's majority, everyone I know has been misplaying it.
It doesn't, which is the problem. There are no rules in the BRB explicitly saying how to determine a unit's characteristic when there are differing values. The closest comparison is the "Multiple Toughness Values" rules on pg. 14 for determining the units Toughness characteristic.

The BRB does state that for Ld tests to use the highest in the unit, and for characteristic tests, each model uses the highest of a characteristic on its profile (both rules on pg. 7), but Psychic Shriek is neither of these things, so those rules don't apply.

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Does anyone have the exact wording of shriek out of the brb on hand?
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Psychic Shriek is a witch fire power with a range of 12". Roll 3D6 and subtract the target's Leadership - the unit suffers a number of Wounds equal to the result. Armor and cover saves cannot be taken against Wounds caused by Psychic Shriek.

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