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post #11 of 28 (permalink) Old 02-01-14, 08:54 PM
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even if that was the case hes shrouded so would have a 5+ cover if he looked down a battle cannon to see the shape of the shell
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Thanks everyone I couldn't ask for more help. I think I get most of it now, Be'lakor seems to be the one to take. Keep the comments coming should you wish as I'm sure others are learning too.
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Seriously? I always thought that when swooping all terrain etc was forfeit as he was way up in the air :O

That'd make sense now wouldn't it? The problem is that fmc have the same model as before. There is no flying stands for princes or whatever, and Los still applies. When I'm playin a friendly game, I just tell them they can see it as if it was mounted on a flying base (as far as over terrain and elevation goes) because it feels cheesy otherwise. In tournaments however......
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I just imagine them flying low to the ground, using wings for speed rather than altitude. Flying higher would just make them obvious targets. This is all to explain to my whining opponent why he gets the full cover save.

Be'lakor is also pretty small compared to my Black Mace prince and Bloodthirster, and thus even easier to block LOS.


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I just imagine them flying low to the ground, using wings for speed rather than altitude. Flying higher would just make them obvious targets. This is all to explain to my whining opponent why he gets the full cover save.

Be'lakor is also pretty small compared to my Black Mace prince and Bloodthirster, and thus even easier to block LOS.
That's how I'd imagine it too!

Are you able to post a picture of the two side by side? I've got the Be'lakor dataslate but bought the Daemon Prince as I think he looks better. I will buy him eventually though.
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I don't have my Be'lakor assembled yet, but here's something I found online that gives you a rough idea:



My Daemon Prince has 2 pairs of wings, which are unfurled vs. only partially so in the case of Be'lakor.


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Be'lakor is much smaller than a standard prince, making it easier to claim cover and taking advantage if his shrouded ability.
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I don't have my Be'lakor assembled yet, but here's something I found online that gives you a rough idea:
Damn, he's only a bit bigger than Skulltaker and he's not that big of a model to begin with.

I must admit that this has kinda baffled me. It makes MUCH more sense to me now, why people are liking Nurgle daemon princes if the cover can be used this way.
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Yeah, I can see where they're coming from, but I've never used a Nurgle prince. More often than not it seems like they also upgrade them to psykers rolling on Biomancy. 25 points wasted on the Nurgle table, up to 50 on Biomancy for a chance at Iron Arm...

For about the same price after all the wargear and upgrades, Be'lakor has Eternal Warrior and the entire Telepathy tree, along with Master-Crafted +1S Armour/Fleshbane, AND shrouded. 1 worse armor save than a regular prince against small arms fire, but 1 better invuln save that can be buffed with a Grimoire to 2+. There's really no contest as far as I'm concerned. Less attacks than a Black Mace wielding Prince, but far more versatile and valuable IMO.


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I work on flying / swooping as being on a flying base hight. So I measure 6 inch up from the table. if you can see him you can shoot him. if he's hidden he gets cover etc. you just hold the dude 6 inch up and draw LOS.
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