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So far as I can tell, Monstrous Creatures no longer have vehicle-esque cover rules; they are treated as standard models for purposes of determining cover. Yes, this means MCs get cover simply from being inside of area terrain.
That's the way I read it too. MCs are more flexible then vehicles. Sure they can't go to ground but they can hunker behind the remains of a building.

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That's the way I read it too. MCs are more flexible then vehicles. Sure they can't go to ground but they can hunker behind the remains of a building.
As silly as it may seem, I haven't found anything in the 6th edition BRB that implicitly or explicitly disallows MCs from going to ground (unlike say, bikes and jet bikes, page 47).

Back on topic, does anyone have any more input on the questions from my first post? Particularly on the subject of forests, as they're what I'm the most uncertain about with regards to cover, especially when it comes to vehicles.
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Jeeze, sorry guys... that was pretty stupid, at least I'm not accidentally grafting in rules from 4th Ed yet. Right, so Monstrous Creatures are just like other models for the sake of cover, and I couldn't find the bit where it says they cant go to ground either. This is fine by me because I have a Tyranid army.



As for cover and forests... the rules seems pretty clear in the book, but for 'realism' reasons, a few people might say, 'but there's only a 1mm of forest between me and the other guy!'. So if anyone thinks that's likely to happen, maybe saying something like:

"if your in the forest and more than half of the models (which can damage the target) are tracing their line of site through less than 2" of the forest, you don't give a cover save to the target".

... again though, this is more of a house rule because I cant see anything that contradicts the whole, if the line of sight passes through a forest for any reason, target gets a cover save. I might speak to my local group of friends about this and see what they think for our games.

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As far as I know, every MC is Fearless. The Fearless rule prohibits going to ground in any way.

Forests tend to be the trickiest of the terrain features, especially if you have loose trees in a defined area like where I play. We rule that since the trees can move to accomodate models that anything in them gets cover(unless it was a lot taller than the trees like Flyers or Titans). If the trees cannot be moved than LoS comes into play for determining cover for vehicles.

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Dreadknight isn't Fearless
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There is actually a bit under forests that says that if you do move any unfixed trees from the defined area of the forest, that you put them back where they were if possible, or as close as. So they've obviously considered how the trees changing location can effect line of sight.

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That's quite funny, I've only just realised about MC's benefiting from area terrain so I hadn't considered going to ground. I have some Dreadknights available to my Grey Knights... so if I take one of those to scare the pants out of someone by deepstriking it into a nearby ruin... then they all shoot at it with what ever AP2 weapons they have, I could go to ground and get a 2+ cover save. Awesome.

might try that out next time. I know it would be an expensive bullet magnet, but its just a bit of fun. : )

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As far as I know, every MC is Fearless. The Fearless rule prohibits going to ground in any way.

Forests tend to be the trickiest of the terrain features, especially if you have loose trees in a defined area like where I play. We rule that since the trees can move to accomodate models that anything in them gets cover(unless it was a lot taller than the trees like Flyers or Titans). If the trees cannot be moved than LoS comes into play for determining cover for vehicles.
beat me to it. yes fearless prevents going to ground would be interested to know of any MC that isn't

wow just read the other reply, Dreadknight isn't Fearless ???? shock

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Riptide isn't fearless either.

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