The model that brought all this to my attention is actually one that I converted! I had just posted some pictures of it a 40k facebook group with my friends and someone asked the question about the base counting for line of sight.
I have a lictor that is just in a pretty standard pose, had it for years. For christmas I had 2 finecast lictors, and didnt want them to look the same as the old one, so the first one I just re-posed hime quite a lot, and made his legs look like the were blending into the colour of the ground. the 3rd lictor however is the culprit. I wanted to make him really, REALLY camoflaged, so on his bas I stuck some pipes and girders and stuff, to give him something to blend in with.
My friend actually meant what Da Joka was saying, about the base being the model, but the rules clearly say that you have to see the models body (and defines the body). I doubt it will ever come up for us because:
1. You can clearly see the lictors silhouette from every angle
2. The tallest point of the model, isnt even a girlder, its one of the big talons
3. I hope that I'm never playing with lunatics.
I dont think the stuff on the base counts as the model, but Im also reasonably confident my model wont cause any issues.
While trying to fine some clearly defined peramiters about what you can and cant do with modeling things, I came accross all sorts of comments, people who had seen super long looted vehicles, or like Majere613 said, people making models taller. Some people admittng the mount their skimmers slightly higher than usual to give normal models a clear line of sight underneath.
Although the 'Magic Bin of Invisibility' would be an extreme case... it just seems like theres a really big grey area that could be potentially exploited. The best reference I've found to counter this would be that someone said in the old rules (5th ed I think, but I dont remember), there was something about using models not on their original bases having to be cleared with an opponent first. But thats a different base, and many rules reference base sizes, so that seems pretty major.
It does seem like a good way to go though, show any of your converted models to your friend, if he says "hey, thats really cool" and doesnt seem to have a problem with with you playing it, fine. If you show him and he/she bursts out laughing and shouts "what the hell is going on there?!", they probably have a problem with the models legality or likelyhood to cause an arguement later on.
I tell you what, I'll get some photos of my Lictor up in the modeling/painting sections and I'll link it to my most recent work in my signature (this one is well out of date), and you guys can tell me what you think of it. I dont mean I want you to all go crazy and thing I'm trying to cheat or anything, we're happy to put it on the table, just just welcome feedback for the model itself : )
Last edited by Azwaz; 04-29-13 at 07:27 AM.