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Page 12, Choose a target. This is the only time you specifically target anything that doesn't say 'choose target unit' or similar. The Lightning doesn't target anyone, it affects all enemy units, that's not targetted.

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Page 12, Choose a target. This is the only time you specifically target anything that doesn't say 'choose target unit' or similar. The Lightning doesn't target anyone, it affects all enemy units, that's not targetted.
I'd go with that if it hit everyone but it doesn't. It only hits unengaged enemies so there is definitely a target selection process.
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Ah, targeting. The painful word in rules threads (coughdeathraycough). The lightning bolts aren't targeting, it's just 'roll for each enemy unit (which includes AoC, obviously), on a 6 they're hit'. It says nowhere that the lightning bolts are targeting any unit. And, of course, it's compulsory, so you can't choose not to, unfortunately.

Oh, and it says that they're affected normally by the same stuff as friendly and enemy units. (BRB, P112, '... or other ability that affects an area hits some of these AoC, they will be affected along with any friendly or enemy units.')

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I'd go with that if it hit everyone but it doesn't. It only hits unengaged enemies so there is definitely a target selection process.
Does it say target enemy models? Does it have any element of choice in who you hit at all? No so it's not targetted.

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Oh, and it says that they're affected normally by the same stuff as friendly and enemy units. (BRB, P112, '... or other ability that affects an area hits some of these AoC, they will be affected along with any friendly or enemy units.')
That's actually that bit that causes me to think.

Area effects effect everything in the area irregardless of their allegiance. The lightning doesn't, it hits the enemy 2" in front of you but not you.

Yes the effect is across the board but it is in essence a series of attacks on enemy units selected by a nominated criteria.
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Can you not feel that you're really reaching now to try and find a reason it's targetted. It is not a targetted thing, it's not even a shooting attack so even if it did target it would still do it as the allies rules do not exclude getting hit by lightning, just being shot.

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Nothing's being specifically targeted. It just hits random enemy units, no discrimination. But I stand by it: GW need to hire someone to hunt through forums for stuff to be FAQ'd.
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Nothing's being specifically targeted. It just hits random enemy units, no discrimination. But I stand by it: GW need to hire someone to hunt through forums for stuff to be FAQ'd.
The hitting is not random by any means. Only enemy and unengaged who take a test to see if they have been hit, a bit like a shooting attack really.

My concern is for my own Cleansing Flame attack , which hits all enemy models in the same assault. Its mechanics are very similar to the lightning.

I send a list of questions off to GW each week. This will be in my next

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The hitting is not random by any means. Only enemy and unengaged who take a test to see if they have been hit, a bit like a shooting attack really.

I send a list of questions off to GW each week. This will be in my next
Well, I mean random enemy units meeting certain criteria. And the list thing's a great idea. Do GW actually read it and resolve it though?
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Well, I mean random enemy units meeting certain criteria. And the list thing's a great idea. Do GW actually read it and resolve it though?
But units that meet a criteria are by definition not random.

and yes they do. I posted the first lot I sent in a week ago. Not sure how "acceptable" the responses are but they do give an umpire's decision.
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