Originally Posted by Warlock in Training
Who do you belive? Matt Ward or Graham Mcneill? I been reading Chapters Due and in it....
Calgar is shown to be a Liar. Calgar could not defeat and kill a DP but Lies to his whole Chapter. (Makes me wonder if the Avatar KOed by Calgar wsomness a lie too
Nothing in the codex ever says Calgar wasn't a liar. Hell, it openly states in the BA codex that Dante doesn't correct the legends about him so people can have hope.
The UM fleet loses badly twice in void warfare to CSM and Renegades, losing a Battle Barge real quick in the fight.
It happens. Nothing in the codex (despite what people think) says that the UMs win every battle. Against the hive fleet they lost their entire first company and almost 2 others. Their battle in space was only won through the sacrifice of an Emperor class Battleship blowing up it's warp drives in the heart of the Nid fleet.
The Codex Astartes is proven at first to be the UMs greatest weakness as they become predictable.
Known fact, but it very much stinks of plot armor (or bullets in this case). Plus you use "at first" to start your sentence. what follows the "but then" ?
Telios the Master Scout is startled by Raven Guard hiding in the shadows right next to him and all the UM Captains.
So a member of a Chapter that specializes in hit and run tactics is more successful at hiding then a Scout Sergeant. Color me shocked. Plus Telion's profile talks about how good of a shot he is, not how sneaky he is.
Cato Sicarius is shown to be a very angry and stuck up warrior. Not the noble swordsman Matt Ward painted him as. I like the Angry version better.
Where did Ward paint Sicarius as anything. None of the stories featuring him in the codex talk about his personality at all. I could see people taking away that he is a "noble swordsman" (being that he was born a noble and has a sword) but Zero information in the dex supports that theory.
Tigerious is no more awsome at predicting the futur than Ahriman in a Thousand Sons.
We know the future in 40k isn't a fixed thing, so that proves very little. Plus it doesn't mean that Tigurius is a weak psyker.
The Ultramarr Sectore lost 2 majore worlds which seems more than what Behometh managed or Black Reach.
It is more then the Nid invasion. 1 more planet was lost. We know the UMs can lose, they lose in the Fall of Damnos.
Some UMs belive Guilliman didnt have so much to do with all the Wonders that many belive are built by his genious since he was fighting in the Crusade.
Not very surprising. I bet some of the Blood Angels don't believe Dante killed a Bloodthirster 1 on 1.
Soooo how is Matt Wards "No Chapter is greater than the Ultramarines" which is stated in both the SM Game and Movie seem to enrage all the Haters (Which I use to be untill reading Grahams Dead Sky Black Sun and Chapters Due) show UMs not really all that. They have less than the best of the best qualities. Making no better than SWs, BAs, IFs, ect.
So is Matt Wards Codex on UMs right or Mcneills 6 books paint the true picture here? Who do you belive?
The fact is both books are right. The codex builds the hype in a way that's similar to how the wider Imperium sees them. A closer look shows the issues that face the chapter (and most likely face every chapter).