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I always like to speculate about how tough a space marine is, so here goes...

I was wondering how much injury a modern day martial arts expert could inflict upon an unarmored astartes. Though I know little of fighting disciplines, I am aware of techniques within each respectable martial art, which have been described as downright lethal to use against an opponent. Punches to the temple, choking grips and break-neck kicks etc.

We all know that the rank-and-file battle brother is more than apable of handing any normal man his ass to him on a platter, but what if the naked marine just said 'Go ahead. Take a swing!' ?

Do you think a peak-fitness, martial artists' skill would be enough, physcally harm a space marine?


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Astartes are 700 pound super soldiers with skeletal systems strong enough to withstand forces that was shatter a normal mans, strength to rip a mans head from his body and faster than any human being could ever hope to be. It would be no contest; the marine would devastate the human with little effort.

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Thank you gen.ahab for your quick reply, though you leave me wondering, whether you read my whole post?

I repeat: The Space Marine is passive and can't fend for himself

I like to think that the preternatal senses of a battle brother, makes him uncousciously flex the right muscles just before any impact to cushion the force, or just ride with the force to disperse the energy.


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I think the best that a human could do would be to annoy a space marine. No of course if he went for the eyes he could do damage but with just punching and kicking, I dont see him doing much harm at all.


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Yeah. The question was whether a human could inflict harm on a Space Marine.

I'd like to think yes. At least on soft targets. Eyes. Testes if they still have them (they don't really need them. And any loss in hormones could be picked up with suitable replacements fed straight from their armor).

How passive are we talking about, though? If a person is trying to snap his fingers backwards can the Space Marine resist by moving his finger the other way?

If not, I'd imagine you could break fingers if they used their body weight and physical strength.

Trying to break bones with punches and kicks seem unlikely. Even hitting areas without bone (the lower back) probably wouldn't avail to much. I'd imagine the thick slabs of muscles along the torso would absorb the blow. Though I'd imagine you could probably bruise a marine. I believe I recall marines being bruised for fairly substantial amounts of time (days, at least). Though those usually involve violent trauma that would probably kill a normal person several times over. A bruise from a person striking a marine would probably heal in a matter of minutes, I'd think.
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Passive Sm, ok....

Extended index and next finger directed through eye socket into brain.


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Thank you gen.ahab for your quick reply, though you leave me wondering, whether you read my whole post?

I repeat: The Space Marine is passive and can't fend for himself

I like to think that the preternatal senses of a battle brother, makes him uncousciously flex the right muscles just before any impact to cushion the force, or just ride with the force to disperse the energy.
No, I did. However, I don't believe they would do such a thing. Given reaction time, the marine would have ample time to determine where the impact would be and if by some miracle the human found a weak point, the marine would react and plaster him long before he could ever actually land the blow.

However, I do not believe such a location exists on a marine as opposed to a human being... apart from the eyes, of course, but then the plastered against wall clause applies.

EDIT: However, if the marine just stood and took it without moving at all I suppose at some point the human could do some damage.

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Yeah. The question was whether a human could inflict harm on a Space Marine.

I'd like to think yes. At least on soft targets. Eyes. Testes if they still have them (they don't really need them. And any loss in hormones could be picked up with suitable replacements fed straight from their armor).

How passive are we talking about, though? If a person is trying to snap his fingers backwards can the Space Marine resist by moving his finger the other way?

If not, I'd imagine you could break fingers if they used their body weight and physical strength.

Trying to break bones with punches and kicks seem unlikely. Even hitting areas without bone (the lower back) probably wouldn't avail to much. I'd imagine the thick slabs of muscles along the torso would absorb the blow. Though I'd imagine you could probably bruise a marine. I believe I recall marines being bruised for fairly substantial amounts of time (days, at least). Though those usually involve violent trauma that would probably kill a normal person several times over. A bruise from a person striking a marine would probably heal in a matter of minutes, I'd think.
the only way to inflict serious damage would be to to give him an indian burn with a power fist. oh wait he cant have thta. I guess they are invincible then lol


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EDIT: However, if the marine just stood and took it without moving at all I suppose at some point the human could do some damage.
That is exactly what the OP asked. If a Space Marine did nothing to defend himself, could a human hurt him. And if so, how much and by what means.
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That is exactly what the OP asked. If a Space Marine did nothing to defend himself, could a human hurt him. And if so, how much and by what means.
No shit? I got that. I just don't think it would happen.... I said as much in the same post.

BTW, damage equates to maybe being able to take out his eyes. He can't break any major bones, he isn't going to be able to do enough soft tissue damage, and unless he has a fucking sword he can't bleed him. Most he can do is poke out his eyes or something of that nature since I am sure there is some weird ass way his temples are now super duper and can't be damaged.

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