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Well we know the World Eaters and Dark Angels only changed their names not their colours so I presume most of the other Legions were the same.
That was my presumption but reading the article it clearly says that the grey colours were the uniform of the Imperial Heralds. Obviously it's a wiki so can't be taken as gospel which is why i wanted some clarification on wether they had actually changed colour when they met their primarch or wether they changed colour after the heresy.

I know for example that the world eaters were white pre heresy and changed it to rep their new devotion but i don't remember having read that this was the case with Lorgars lads.

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That was my presumption but reading the article it clearly says that the grey colours were the uniform of the Imperial Heralds. Obviously it's a wiki so can't be taken as gospel which is why i wanted some clarification on wether they had actually changed colour when they met their primarch or wether they changed colour after the heresy.

I know for example that the world eaters were white pre heresy and changed it to rep their new devotion but i don't remember having read that this was the case with Lorgars lads.
Yeah they were Grey as Imperial Heralds and retained that livery when they became the Word Bearers (though as with the Dark Angels alterations were made in the form of religious etchings and knightly trappings respectively).
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The Dark Angels showed indications that they were changing their color scheme prior to the Heresy. The original "First Legion" colors were predominately black (with trim color varying from white to red depending on the fluff source). By the time the Heresy began, though, the cultural influence of the Calibanite knighthoods was being felt--the Ravenwing Chapter, for instance, introduced a green shoulder pad with its ancient order's livery painted on it.
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That's more or less the origional question i asked
The reason I asked was because I thought (and have since confirmed) that you were confuisng the primarch-era name change and the heresy-era scheme change.

The Imperial Heralds and Word Bearers both wore grey armour. The crimson we currently see first appears on the Gal Vorbak (spelling?) in First Heretic to mark their new devotion. It was latter abopted legion wide (though I don't know the specifics on when).

The two changes occured independently and for different reasons. Also does anyone else think it's slightly anal to change Imperial Heralds to Word Bearers? At least until the start bearing a word other than the Imperium.

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The two changes occured independently and for different reasons. Also does anyone else think it's slightly anal to change Imperial Heralds to Word Bearers? At least until the start bearing a word other than the Imperium.
Maybe the name Word Bearers has some special intonation in Colchisian? A subtlety that is lost when it's translated into standard Gothic?
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The Imperial Heralds were the only Legion to be named by the Emperor during the Unification Wars. The colour was slate grey granite for all the Legions at the time, the Heralds just never changed that scheme even after the discovery of the Primarch. They were created to spread secularism and to cast down religion and all it's idols. Their 'Heralds' would give civilisations or sects an opportunity to renounce or die. Those Heralds would later become Chaplains as they progressively became religious. Lorgar did not change his Legion right away. He left the Heralds to remain secular and would only convert those who were at first willing to listen. Then, as attrition took it's toll, only Colchis born Heralds would be inducted into the faith from the get go. When every last secular Heralds died through war, Lorgar sealed the symbolic transformation by renaming the Legion the 'Word Bearers' who now bore the Emperor's Word.
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Yeah they only changed to red after Lorgar had been corrupted. And I guess the colour change was to try and disassociate their legion with the emperor, as he had lied to them and openly humiliated them.

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Here are some other pre-Primarch legion names.

The Raven Guard were known as the 'Blackbirds'. The Ultramarines were known as the 'Super Smurfs'. The Space Wolves were originally known as 'Jørgen Fløgstad's Magical Band of Merry Rogues'. My favourite pre-Primarch legion name was, of course, the Salamanders, who were simply known as 'Steve'.

It turns out that Chaos has their own band...
https://youtu.be/rTGzcdq0_NQ
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Well we know the World Eaters and Dark Angels only changed their names not their colours so I presume most of the other Legions were the same.
We have several changes:
War Hounds to World Eaters:


Imperial Heralds to Word Bearers. Name change after they found their primarch, colour scheme after Dropsite massacre


Luna Wolves to Sons of Horus


Dusk Raiders to Death Guard (other way around in this picuture, left is Death Guard, right is Dusk Raiders)


Everything below didn't change colours but had different names before finding their primarch:

Dragon Warriors to Salamanders

Angels of Death to Dark Angels (according to Angels of Caliban book)

Storm Walkers to Iron Hands

Alpha Legion is noted as having 730+ different names before their official one

Iron Warriors unofficial cognomen: Corpse Grinders

Raven Guard unofficial cognomen: Pale Nomands/Dust Clad

Info above comes from the different FW Campaign books (Except the Salamanders and Dark Angels ones who come from Lexicanum and Angels of Caliban).

Edit: well seems the forum screwed a bit with the img sizes, or I derped. Sorry about that!

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Funny, but ADB was only asking about the Imperial Heralds on Facebook lately.
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