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Is there any existing fluff or mention of the White Templars, or were they just a codex chapter for the sake of another paint scheme? I was thinking of doing an Imperial Fists army next, and for some modelling ideas I've got, it would be cool to add a squad or so of them. - I'm hoping they're a "blank" chapter so to speak, so I can just add some of my own fluff for them.

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all I can find is that there homeworld is Sanctum, thats it.

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I can do some digging but they can always be either another codex chapter or you could even just run them as black templars. According to the lex(which isnt very credible) they come from sanctum amd they are a codex chapter.


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Thats what I figured, I would count them as normal SM, just gives me room to make up a background, characters, and more oportunity for modelling

One more question before I start to write the fluff, how likely would this be: nearly an entire Chapter wiped out on a planet by say, Necrons. The Chapter Master realizes that it is a losing battle, and that it will be the last stand. Rather than escape, he chooses and fight and die with his Chapter, but sends out say 20 of his Marines, including a sergeant, apothecary, and their chapter standard so that the Chapter may live on, and those few who left could tell the story of the valiant stand that occured (yes, similiar to 300...but more than 50% of the existing fluff is based off of actual history, so I think I can get away with it)

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It's a good idea, but 20-25 Marines isn't enough for the Chapter to carry on. With this high of a percentage loss, the surviving Marines would just be added to the strength of another Chapter, or maybe the Deathwatch. It could be that the High Lords Found another Chapter to replace the lost one, and if this happens the survivors might get involved with this, but no gaurantees.
If you want to use this idea I think you will need at least 20-25% surviving. I have the feeling that I've read this somewhere and that there is an official lower limit that a Chapter can reach before it is packed up and called extinct.

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I think it's also a matter of geneseed. If you only have 20-25 marines, it's going to take you centuries at best to get anything close to fighting strength.

But, say, 20-25 marines with 200 geneseed with them could get the chapter up and running within a hundred years.

But on a more reasonable scale I'd probably say 100-125 marines with 200 geneseed. I'd probably say a tactical squad from the first company, with sprinklings of other squads, and then a healthy dose of scouts.
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Yeah that definitely makes sense. Okay, so here is a one more hypothetical question/scenario, then I'm done lol. Sorry for the stupid questions, if I make my own fluff for a new army, I want it to be realistic.


So, say the White Templars are an Imperial Fists successor, and the same situation happens, Chapter and Chapter Master killed, only 15-25 survive. The White Templars chapter would be documented as extinct, and the surviving members may simply be added to the Imperial Fists. If this were to occur, would the Imperial Fists possibly create 2 specialist squads out of the surviving members, and let them keep their original armour colour from when the White Templars existed?

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Even if the survivors have managed to bring some geneseed with them, it will still fall to the AdMech to supply the majority so as to bring the Chapter up to strength. With less than 200 Astartes, it is going to be incredibly difficult for the Chapter to perform any operations. This is probably why it takes at least 20-25% survivors for the High Lords to see it as worthwile spending time and resources on re-building.
Less than 20-25%, then it's probably less trouble to just move another Chapter in to take over from the destroyed one. If necessary, a new one can be Founded in relative peace and at a manageable pace. This is why I think you will need a slightly higher number of survivors than you're thinking of using at themoment.
However, that all being said, you might be able to make one of the surviving Sergeants into a figure of redemption. With noone above him, he rises to the challenge, personally persuading the High Lords' representatives to re-Found the Chapter, and keeping the fires of determination burning in Brothers who may have become despondent at the seeming loss of everything. He is the embodiment of Dorn in the Iron Cage, and Sigismund at the Siege of Terra. He is the Templar.

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Yeah that definitely makes sense. Okay, so here is a one more hypothetical question/scenario, then I'm done lol. Sorry for the stupid questions, if I make my own fluff for a new army, I want it to be realistic.


So, say the White Templars are an Imperial Fists successor, and the same situation happens, Chapter and Chapter Master killed, only 15-25 survive. The White Templars chapter would be documented as extinct, and the surviving members may simply be added to the Imperial Fists. If this were to occur, would the Imperial Fists possibly create 2 specialist squads out of the surviving members, and let them keep their original armour colour from when the White Templars existed?
This does make sense but what u have to ask yourself is what is it that makes them unique enuff to fight this way. what is there specialty?

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